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to be fair the people who get appalled by reading the f-word are probably not the target customer. who drops f-word all the time? programmers, entrepreneurs, de

to be fair the people who get appalled by reading the f-word are probably not the target customer. who drops f-word all the time? programmers, entrepreneurs, designers, developers, managers. certainly not established 100 year old corporation, but most certainly the hip, fast moving, horny, 20~30 something olds who eat and breathe technology.

phlakaton 12y ago
Hey, I'm one of those, I think! For me, dropping a few in a conversation is one thing. Seeing it chiseled onto a web page is quite another.
- kelseyfrancis 12y ago
  Agreed. Would you want to see that your doctor's written stuff like that in your chart (e.g., "Patient's got some really fucking bad gout!")? No? Then maybe it's unprofessional.
  - csuwldcat 12y ago
    I'm pretty sure comparing the addition of 'fucking' as a crass emphasis on the seriousness of someone's medical condition, with saying it excitedly when happy about a product or service you're enjoying, is drawing a flagrantly false equivalence. But heck (fuck?), that's just a reasoned, logical, non-PC take on this - three things that are sadly absent from much of the population these days.
    - kelseyfrancis 12y ago
      Okay. "Patient's cancer is in fucking remission!", said excitedly and happily is nevertheless possibly indicative of generally unprofessional behavior, which was quite obviously the point. But I guess discussions bereft of pedantry and hubris are sadly absent among the HN population these days. None of us is personally offended by this language. We simply understand that it has no place in professional communications, because it can only really harm perception vis-a-vis just leaving it out and so probably isn't a smart business move.
claar 12y ago
Personally I find the "hip" use of curse words a red flag for working with a company. If you can't even be professional on your external-facing site, it's a certainty that I'll have to put up with much worse unprofessionalism in our closer business relationship. But that's just me, and I don't pretend to be in the majority among the HN/reddit crowd.
dkural 12y ago
More like insecure, inarticulate brogrammers who are getting burnt out overworking but think it's cool. I don't find swearing to be a conducive way of creating an inclusive, thoughtful work environment. I had enough of this fucking bullshit in college. Time to grow the fuck up.
- pmichaud 12y ago
  Genuinely curious if your comment is meant to be ironic?
- dkural 12y ago
  Now that I re-read my comment, what I actually meant to say is - I had enough bravado swearing by young people in college, and it is time to grow up and act professionally - but now I realize the comment can be read to mean that I had enough of non-swearing PC behavior in college, and it's ok to swear as an adult at work. Interestingly; I stay at an equilibrium of points after roughly equal upvotes and downvotes. I wonder if it would've swung -- or ++ if the meaning was universally conveyed correctly by me.
- mattstreet 12y ago
  Okay now I can't tell if you're serious due to the last two fucking sentences.

phlakaton 12y ago

Hey, I'm one of those, I think! For me, dropping a few in a conversation is one thing. Seeing it chiseled onto a web page is quite another.

kelseyfrancis 12y ago
Agreed. Would you want to see that your doctor's written stuff like that in your chart (e.g., "Patient's got some really fucking bad gout!")? No? Then maybe it's unprofessional.
- csuwldcat 12y ago
  I'm pretty sure comparing the addition of 'fucking' as a crass emphasis on the seriousness of someone's medical condition, with saying it excitedly when happy about a product or service you're enjoying, is drawing a flagrantly false equivalence. But heck (fuck?), that's just a reasoned, logical, non-PC take on this - three things that are sadly absent from much of the population these days.
  - kelseyfrancis 12y ago
    Okay. "Patient's cancer is in fucking remission!", said excitedly and happily is nevertheless possibly indicative of generally unprofessional behavior, which was quite obviously the point. But I guess discussions bereft of pedantry and hubris are sadly absent among the HN population these days. None of us is personally offended by this language. We simply understand that it has no place in professional communications, because it can only really harm perception vis-a-vis just leaving it out and so probably isn't a smart business move.

claar 12y ago

Personally I find the "hip" use of curse words a red flag for working with a company. If you can't even be professional on your external-facing site, it's a certainty that I'll have to put up with much worse unprofessionalism in our closer business relationship. But that's just me, and I don't pretend to be in the majority among the HN/reddit crowd.

dkural 12y ago

More like insecure, inarticulate brogrammers who are getting burnt out overworking but think it's cool. I don't find swearing to be a conducive way of creating an inclusive, thoughtful work environment. I had enough of this fucking bullshit in college. Time to grow the fuck up.

pmichaud 12y ago
Genuinely curious if your comment is meant to be ironic?
dkural 12y ago
Now that I re-read my comment, what I actually meant to say is - I had enough bravado swearing by young people in college, and it is time to grow up and act professionally - but now I realize the comment can be read to mean that I had enough of non-swearing PC behavior in college, and it's ok to swear as an adult at work. Interestingly; I stay at an equilibrium of points after roughly equal upvotes and downvotes. I wonder if it would've swung -- or ++ if the meaning was universally conveyed correctly by me.
mattstreet 12y ago
Okay now I can't tell if you're serious due to the last two fucking sentences.