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Lennart is producing lots of software that many people find useful to solve real problems. If you don't have these problems you're free to not use them. If yo

Lennart is producing lots of software that many people find useful to solve real problems. If you don't have these problems you're free to not use them. If your distro maintainer choose to integrate with software produced by Lennart it's because it either solves real problems for them or are simply too dumb to be trusted. In the first case it would be appropriate to trust the decision of qualified people, but if you fall in the latter care you're still free to change distro given the assumed incompetence of your maintainers. I still don't see how this makes Lennart a troll.

peterwwillis 12y ago
> If you don't have these problems you're free to not use them. Uh, no. Major distributions have adopted his software into the core of their product and it is virtually impossible to substitute it. These distros happen to be the only approved vendors for most major private and public sector commercial software. We're not free to not use it. > you're still free to change distro given the assumed incompetence of your maintainers See above. > I still don't see how this makes Lennart a troll. Besides the fact that most of the Linux kernel dev team thinks he and his cronies are asshats? Besides the way he's designed his software to be the polar opposite model of the operating system he's building it for? Besides the fact that he's insulting all of the people he purports to write software for and with, ignoring the fact that almost no one else has been treated this way? Besides all of that, it's a troll because he's basically just said 'fuck you' to everyone who develops open source software and now his fanboys and detractors are all arguing over it. It's a very effective troll indeed.
- EmanueleAina 12y ago
  If those major distributions have adopted it they may have had some reasons to do so, isn't it? So you basically don't trust the maintainers of major distribution, yet you rely on them to provide certificated support (which I guess is the reason why you require approval). This is a problem in your organization and has really nothing to do with Lennart. I share the opinion that some people in the kernel team should reconsider the way they express themseves, but if you judge based on who has not been insulted on LKML you'd be left with very few people. Linus himself recently said that he has no strong opinion on systemd and in fact uses it. I won't discuss your accusation that his software is "the polar opposite model of the operating system he's building it for", it's just your idea of said OS and probably doesn't match what the majority of the developers of said OS think. We probably read very differently what Lennart said, but I'm quite sure e didn't say "'fuck you' to everyone who develops open source software".

peterwwillis 12y ago

> If you don't have these problems you're free to not use them. Uh, no. Major distributions have adopted his software into the core of their product and it is virtually impossible to substitute it. These distros happen to be the only approved vendors for most major private and public sector commercial software. We're not free to not use it. > you're still free to change distro given the assumed incompetence of your maintainers See above. > I still don't see how this makes Lennart a troll. Besides the fact that most of the Linux kernel dev team thinks he and his cronies are asshats? Besides the way he's designed his software to be the polar opposite model of the operating system he's building it for? Besides the fact that he's insulting all of the people he purports to write software for and with, ignoring the fact that almost no one else has been treated this way? Besides all of that, it's a troll because he's basically just said 'fuck you' to everyone who develops open source software and now his fanboys and detractors are all arguing over it. It's a very effective troll indeed.

EmanueleAina 12y ago
If those major distributions have adopted it they may have had some reasons to do so, isn't it? So you basically don't trust the maintainers of major distribution, yet you rely on them to provide certificated support (which I guess is the reason why you require approval). This is a problem in your organization and has really nothing to do with Lennart. I share the opinion that some people in the kernel team should reconsider the way they express themseves, but if you judge based on who has not been insulted on LKML you'd be left with very few people. Linus himself recently said that he has no strong opinion on systemd and in fact uses it. I won't discuss your accusation that his software is "the polar opposite model of the operating system he's building it for", it's just your idea of said OS and probably doesn't match what the majority of the developers of said OS think. We probably read very differently what Lennart said, but I'm quite sure e didn't say "'fuck you' to everyone who develops open source software".