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You have to make them speak English first. I mean, for the majority of Chinese people, they don't care about your Github thing... Edit: I'd suggest you do some

by v-yadli 12y ago

You have to make them speak English first. I mean, for the majority of Chinese people, they don't care about your Github thing... Edit: I'd suggest you do some research on this: where's all the information hiding in the Chinese internet? - An interesting example is this: http://www.pudn.com/ http://www.pudn.com/ It works different. Yes you can download stuff for free there, but you have to upload your own stuff to gain credit. It's just that, things work quite different here in China... All the things you talk about, you have to think whether they stand, first.

chaostheory 12y ago
> All the things you talk about, you have to think whether they stand, first. I'm pretty damn sure I know what I'm talking about. For one thing, I'm not blinded by pride. (Going on a tangent, I don't even understand why people seem offended, since this isn't about talent or skill that a lot of mainlanders possess, this is simply about their culture.) Pudn is a horrible example of Chinese 'open source' because it's not really Chinese open source. It's really just a Chinese search engine for open source projects of which a lot aren't even Chinese. 1. Like you said, you can't even download anything unless you upload something. Why is this important? Because you can't just build something for the sake of building something and sharing, it still has to be out of self interest and self gain. 2. A lot of the serious projects there aren't even projects that are hosted there. Most of them are just other non-Chinese people's projects that are really hosted on github, sourceforge, google code, or some other open source repo site like code plex (i.e. Pudn's users aren't even uploading their own work.) which makes the 'you have to upload something to download something' even more ridiculous. 3. Of the projects that are really hosted there, most of them just look like the result of small homework assignments. 4. It's not really a place for people to collaborate. It's more of file share and search where people find examples to help finish their upcoming trivial homework assignments. They upload their own completed homework assignments so they can download other people's homework. There's nothing special there. My point stands. Chinese open source is near non-existent, not because of talent; it's because of culture.
- v-yadli 12y ago
  I have no idea why you assume that pudn is an example of 'open source' to me. I'm just talking about information. Do you get this now? You are again interpreting my words with a predefined, well, interpreter. Yes I agree with you that open source (in a western perspective somehow) doesn't work in China, as I have stated above, just like they don't care about Github. It means that the collaboration, copy right awareness, etc, etc, they just don't exist. Months ago I released some kernel patches for Xperia Z2 on github. Nobody forks it or send me pull requests. I then released kernel images to both XDA and a forum in China. It got so hot that even today there're still 100+ replies a day under my thread. Of course in a Chinese-'zombie'-style like "fawefawiefuawsef" to satisfy "reply to download". You can see how information flows... Someone releases something. Tens of thousands of end users rush to it and disrupt the ambience of communication. Makers then hide themselves, and turn to do something else. Of course sometimes they don't face end users directly. They have their own community (but usually formed as an instant message group or so) and release stuff through delegates, who are usually mods of forums. Chinese forums is an interesting thing definitely worth taking a look at. Most hardware modders post things there ranging from vehicle modding to custom guitar stomps.
  - chaostheory 12y ago
    > I'd suggest you do some research on this: where's all the information hiding in the Chinese internet? It's just that, things work quite different here in China... In your posts (the previous one and your last one) you were essentially saying that mainland Chinese do things differently, but it was just as good. Well I've listed specific reasons as to why it's not as good as the way things are in the West. Your current example about 100 replies to your post is like the number of projects on csdn.net; it's just not impressive like other things in China like the pace and scope of Chinese construction (e.g. the 3 Gorges dam) or China's ambition for manned moon landings... and again it has nothing to do with skill or talent. It's just mainland Chinese culture.
    - v-yadli 12y ago
      > but it was just as good No. Read it again. It's neither good nor bad to me. I'll apologize if my wording is confusing. > it's just not impressive like other things... Trivially true. Universally applicable. Nonsense. > It's just mainland Chinese culture Agree. What I really want is to expose the underlying details about how things work here. It's not just simply 'different' in one or two parameters. It's not about good or bad. You can say it's bad, I've got no problem with it. But I really want to say that it's interesting, and it's not just China. The fareast countries are similar. (Well talking about quality do you really think I'm arguing that pudn is good? Chinese open source is good? Why would you assume me that kind of person after all? :-)
noselasd 12y ago
https://code.csdn.net https://code.csdn.net would be a better example. www.pudn.com is where I go looking for code and docs that aren't really supposed to be "open" in any sense.

by v-yadli 12y ago

chaostheory 12y ago

> All the things you talk about, you have to think whether they stand, first. I'm pretty damn sure I know what I'm talking about. For one thing, I'm not blinded by pride. (Going on a tangent, I don't even understand why people seem offended, since this isn't about talent or skill that a lot of mainlanders possess, this is simply about their culture.) Pudn is a horrible example of Chinese 'open source' because it's not really Chinese open source. It's really just a Chinese search engine for open source projects of which a lot aren't even Chinese. 1. Like you said, you can't even download anything unless you upload something. Why is this important? Because you can't just build something for the sake of building something and sharing, it still has to be out of self interest and self gain. 2. A lot of the serious projects there aren't even projects that are hosted there. Most of them are just other non-Chinese people's projects that are really hosted on github, sourceforge, google code, or some other open source repo site like code plex (i.e. Pudn's users aren't even uploading their own work.) which makes the 'you have to upload something to download something' even more ridiculous. 3. Of the projects that are really hosted there, most of them just look like the result of small homework assignments. 4. It's not really a place for people to collaborate. It's more of file share and search where people find examples to help finish their upcoming trivial homework assignments. They upload their own completed homework assignments so they can download other people's homework. There's nothing special there. My point stands. Chinese open source is near non-existent, not because of talent; it's because of culture.

v-yadli 12y ago
I have no idea why you assume that pudn is an example of 'open source' to me. I'm just talking about information. Do you get this now? You are again interpreting my words with a predefined, well, interpreter. Yes I agree with you that open source (in a western perspective somehow) doesn't work in China, as I have stated above, just like they don't care about Github. It means that the collaboration, copy right awareness, etc, etc, they just don't exist. Months ago I released some kernel patches for Xperia Z2 on github. Nobody forks it or send me pull requests. I then released kernel images to both XDA and a forum in China. It got so hot that even today there're still 100+ replies a day under my thread. Of course in a Chinese-'zombie'-style like "fawefawiefuawsef" to satisfy "reply to download". You can see how information flows... Someone releases something. Tens of thousands of end users rush to it and disrupt the ambience of communication. Makers then hide themselves, and turn to do something else. Of course sometimes they don't face end users directly. They have their own community (but usually formed as an instant message group or so) and release stuff through delegates, who are usually mods of forums. Chinese forums is an interesting thing definitely worth taking a look at. Most hardware modders post things there ranging from vehicle modding to custom guitar stomps.
- chaostheory 12y ago
  > I'd suggest you do some research on this: where's all the information hiding in the Chinese internet? It's just that, things work quite different here in China... In your posts (the previous one and your last one) you were essentially saying that mainland Chinese do things differently, but it was just as good. Well I've listed specific reasons as to why it's not as good as the way things are in the West. Your current example about 100 replies to your post is like the number of projects on csdn.net; it's just not impressive like other things in China like the pace and scope of Chinese construction (e.g. the 3 Gorges dam) or China's ambition for manned moon landings... and again it has nothing to do with skill or talent. It's just mainland Chinese culture.
  - v-yadli 12y ago
    > but it was just as good No. Read it again. It's neither good nor bad to me. I'll apologize if my wording is confusing. > it's just not impressive like other things... Trivially true. Universally applicable. Nonsense. > It's just mainland Chinese culture Agree. What I really want is to expose the underlying details about how things work here. It's not just simply 'different' in one or two parameters. It's not about good or bad. You can say it's bad, I've got no problem with it. But I really want to say that it's interesting, and it's not just China. The fareast countries are similar. (Well talking about quality do you really think I'm arguing that pudn is good? Chinese open source is good? Why would you assume me that kind of person after all? :-)

noselasd 12y ago

https://code.csdn.net https://code.csdn.net would be a better example. www.pudn.com is where I go looking for code and docs that aren't really supposed to be "open" in any sense.