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And why should we believe the CEO? I don't trust either of them. At all. What I do know, though, is that one of them wrote a comment which is tremendously mean

by nilkn 12y ago

And why should we believe the CEO? I don't trust either of them. At all. What I do know, though, is that one of them wrote a comment which is tremendously meaner than those of the other person.

TeMPOraL 12y ago
Because the CEO just exposed himself for a serious lawsuit if even an iota of this statement is not true, not to mention a media shitstorm and total loss of faith of his subordinates. This is strong evidence in favour of believing him over the other guy.
- nilkn 12y ago
  Emotions can make people do extremely irrational things. Regardless, there's still the more fundamental point that I can't find anything this guy wrote that justified that sort of extremely intense response from the CEO. His criticisms were incredibly light for someone who was fired and his speculation about his own firing was very mild-mannered. That sort of response strikes me as crazily vindictive and the sheer anger of it makes it pretty hard for me to trust its author.
- sheepmullet 12y ago
  But the other guy will likely struggle to get another job because of the shitstorm so he is IMO much more at risk than the CEO is.
  - TeMPOraL 12y ago
    Yes, but the CEO did it in response to a guy being stupid enough to lie about his termination on his former employer's web page. And the guy is still just a random ex-Redditor, so he can lie low for a bit - get a job in a softwarehouse that won't bother figuring out his Reddit handle, build positive references. This guy can step out of the spotlight anytime he wants.
    - sheepmullet 12y ago
      Lie about his termination? I think that is taking it a bit far. Confused? Upset? Angry? Wrong even? Sure. Lying? Probably not. A lot of companies are very vague when they fire an employee. I've been let go twice, once for "poor performance" and once for "not the right fit". In both cases when I pressed for more detail I was not given anything concrete. In the poor performance case I would say things like "but I had all my code reviewed and the reviewers said my code was fine...". And get responses like "we just didn't feel like your performance was up to scratch". I was upset and angry at the time because they never provided me with any real evidence or gave me a chance to fix it. I kept coming up with all sorts of reasons (like the fact that I was 20 years older than the next oldest developer). OTOH, I am not stupid enough to air my grievances on a public forum.
    - bane 12y ago
      > being stupid enough to lie about his termination You might want to reevaluate that position. You're reflexively siding with the CEO. You don't know that he's lying and saying "I think was fired because I did this" is not lying either way anyways. I'm not saying you have to side with the ex-employee either, doing an AMA like that was pretty stupid as well. But the CEO's level of basic professionalism here leaves anything he's saying as pretty suspect as well.
      - TeMPOraL 12y ago
        > You might want to reevaluate that position. You're reflexively siding with the CEO. You don't know that he's lying and saying "I think was fired because I did this" is not lying either way anyways. You're right, thank you. I got carried away.
        bane 12y ago
        Yeah it's cool, it's pretty easy to get inflamed about these kind of employer/employee issues since it affects all of us in some way.
    - godzilla82 12y ago
      >lie on his former employer's web page You are calling Reddit a web page! Nice hyperbole!
- bane 12y ago
  Considering the level of professionalism by the CEO in just posting this kind of strong vindictive statement against an ex-employee who has little to no recourse (who should know better) it's strong evidence not to believe him at all.
  - kazinator 12y ago
    Well, "vindictive" doesn't mean "liar". Someone vindictive could nevertheless be honest to a fault; in fact, their honesty could stem from the same source as the vindictiveness against someone who had been dishonest. It's a kind of guilt-by-association reasoning: if someone has X bad quality, they likely have Y bad quality also. The boy who stole the loaf of bread from the baker must be the one who assaulted the farmer's daughter.
    - bane 12y ago
      Actually, you're correct. I shouldn't be associating all bad behaviors to a single bad behavior.

by nilkn 12y ago

And why should we believe the CEO? I don't trust either of them. At all. What I do know, though, is that one of them wrote a comment which is tremendously meaner than those of the other person.

TeMPOraL 12y ago

Because the CEO just exposed himself for a serious lawsuit if even an iota of this statement is not true, not to mention a media shitstorm and total loss of faith of his subordinates. This is strong evidence in favour of believing him over the other guy.

nilkn 12y ago
Emotions can make people do extremely irrational things. Regardless, there's still the more fundamental point that I can't find anything this guy wrote that justified that sort of extremely intense response from the CEO. His criticisms were incredibly light for someone who was fired and his speculation about his own firing was very mild-mannered. That sort of response strikes me as crazily vindictive and the sheer anger of it makes it pretty hard for me to trust its author.
sheepmullet 12y ago
But the other guy will likely struggle to get another job because of the shitstorm so he is IMO much more at risk than the CEO is.
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  Yes, but the CEO did it in response to a guy being stupid enough to lie about his termination on his former employer's web page. And the guy is still just a random ex-Redditor, so he can lie low for a bit - get a job in a softwarehouse that won't bother figuring out his Reddit handle, build positive references. This guy can step out of the spotlight anytime he wants.
  - sheepmullet 12y ago
    Lie about his termination? I think that is taking it a bit far. Confused? Upset? Angry? Wrong even? Sure. Lying? Probably not. A lot of companies are very vague when they fire an employee. I've been let go twice, once for "poor performance" and once for "not the right fit". In both cases when I pressed for more detail I was not given anything concrete. In the poor performance case I would say things like "but I had all my code reviewed and the reviewers said my code was fine...". And get responses like "we just didn't feel like your performance was up to scratch". I was upset and angry at the time because they never provided me with any real evidence or gave me a chance to fix it. I kept coming up with all sorts of reasons (like the fact that I was 20 years older than the next oldest developer). OTOH, I am not stupid enough to air my grievances on a public forum.
  - bane 12y ago
    > being stupid enough to lie about his termination You might want to reevaluate that position. You're reflexively siding with the CEO. You don't know that he's lying and saying "I think was fired because I did this" is not lying either way anyways. I'm not saying you have to side with the ex-employee either, doing an AMA like that was pretty stupid as well. But the CEO's level of basic professionalism here leaves anything he's saying as pretty suspect as well.
    - TeMPOraL 12y ago
      > You might want to reevaluate that position. You're reflexively siding with the CEO. You don't know that he's lying and saying "I think was fired because I did this" is not lying either way anyways. You're right, thank you. I got carried away.
      - bane 12y ago
        Yeah it's cool, it's pretty easy to get inflamed about these kind of employer/employee issues since it affects all of us in some way.
  - godzilla82 12y ago
    >lie on his former employer's web page You are calling Reddit a web page! Nice hyperbole!
bane 12y ago
Considering the level of professionalism by the CEO in just posting this kind of strong vindictive statement against an ex-employee who has little to no recourse (who should know better) it's strong evidence not to believe him at all.
- kazinator 12y ago
  Well, "vindictive" doesn't mean "liar". Someone vindictive could nevertheless be honest to a fault; in fact, their honesty could stem from the same source as the vindictiveness against someone who had been dishonest. It's a kind of guilt-by-association reasoning: if someone has X bad quality, they likely have Y bad quality also. The boy who stole the loaf of bread from the baker must be the one who assaulted the farmer's daughter.
  - bane 12y ago
    Actually, you're correct. I shouldn't be associating all bad behaviors to a single bad behavior.