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> I'm all for lifting of sanctions, but Cuba needs to up its game first. Rewarding the autocratic and oppressive Castro regime makes no sense. Democratic reform

> I'm all for lifting of sanctions, but Cuba needs to up its game first. Rewarding the autocratic and oppressive Castro regime makes no sense. Democratic reforms, regime change, freedom of ownership, open elections, multi-parties, the right to sue, the right to travel, a free press, the right to petition, etc must all be respected. Sure. You must be demonstrating every day for the same sanctions to apply in about all the Middle East countries the US has bases in, right? Moral arguments don't really mesh with real politics. Sanctions against Cuba are a relic of the Cold War, but the US does business every day with countries with a worse humanitarian track record.

drzaiusapelord 12y ago
I'm pretty sure Saudi Arabia never had nukes pointed at us or tried to. Ignoring the reality of the cold war and the brutality of Catro's regime and pretending everything is fine now is pretty ignorant. Modern Cuba still is the same disaster its always been. Why must the US reward the Castros? Why can't they make themselves a more viable trading partner? You're not entitled to my business, plain and simple. Whataboutism isn't addressing my issues. Sadly, knee-jerk anti-americanism passes for "intellectualism" around here. Funny how an oppressive anti-capitalist state is applauded on a forum dedicated to VC funded startups. Oh, the irony.
- mercurial 12y ago
  > I'm pretty sure Saudi Arabia never had nukes pointed at us or tried to. This was in 1963. And they sure don't have nukes now, or are likely to acquire them. Not to mention that you're conveniently forgetting US nukes in Italy and Turkey around the same time, or the Bay of Pigs invasion. > Why must the US reward the Castros? Why should it punish the Castros while turning a blind eye to Bahrain, who is busy oppressing its population with a brutality the Castro regime hasn't displayed in a long while? > Whataboutism isn't addressing my issues. If you didn't address the issue from a moral angle, your position may look a bit more solid than it is right now. Why not admit morality has a very small role to play in international politics, whatever narrative government dress it up in for internal consumption? > Sadly, knee-jerk anti-americanism passes for "intellectualism" around here. Oh, I'm not giving a pass to any government, don't worry.
- bildung 12y ago
  I'm pretty sure Saudi Arabia never had nukes pointed at us or tried to. You mean the Russian nukes from 1963? Those that were a response to the nukes the US placed all over Turkey and neighbouring countries? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis

drzaiusapelord 12y ago

I'm pretty sure Saudi Arabia never had nukes pointed at us or tried to. Ignoring the reality of the cold war and the brutality of Catro's regime and pretending everything is fine now is pretty ignorant. Modern Cuba still is the same disaster its always been. Why must the US reward the Castros? Why can't they make themselves a more viable trading partner? You're not entitled to my business, plain and simple. Whataboutism isn't addressing my issues. Sadly, knee-jerk anti-americanism passes for "intellectualism" around here. Funny how an oppressive anti-capitalist state is applauded on a forum dedicated to VC funded startups. Oh, the irony.

mercurial 12y ago
> I'm pretty sure Saudi Arabia never had nukes pointed at us or tried to. This was in 1963. And they sure don't have nukes now, or are likely to acquire them. Not to mention that you're conveniently forgetting US nukes in Italy and Turkey around the same time, or the Bay of Pigs invasion. > Why must the US reward the Castros? Why should it punish the Castros while turning a blind eye to Bahrain, who is busy oppressing its population with a brutality the Castro regime hasn't displayed in a long while? > Whataboutism isn't addressing my issues. If you didn't address the issue from a moral angle, your position may look a bit more solid than it is right now. Why not admit morality has a very small role to play in international politics, whatever narrative government dress it up in for internal consumption? > Sadly, knee-jerk anti-americanism passes for "intellectualism" around here. Oh, I'm not giving a pass to any government, don't worry.
bildung 12y ago
I'm pretty sure Saudi Arabia never had nukes pointed at us or tried to. You mean the Russian nukes from 1963? Those that were a response to the nukes the US placed all over Turkey and neighbouring countries? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis