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"because I pissed off management with my feedback" Umm -- did he say that, in the words you are using (and took the trouble to put in quotes)? If so, where?

"because I pissed off management with my feedback" Umm -- did he say that, in the words you are using (and took the trouble to put in quotes)? If so, where? It doesn't seem to appear anywhere in the comment thread.

opendais 12y ago
I was paraphrasing: "Officially: no reason. And I get this; I vaguely know how CA employment law works and that you limit your liability by not stating a reason. It's also really hard to work through in your mind. The best theory I have is that, two weeks earlier, I raised concerns about donating 10% of ad revenue to charity. Some management likes getting feedback, some doesn't. ..." When you make a statement like "Some management likes getting feedback, some doesn't." in relation to being laid off, you are implying it was retaliatory. I'm pretty sure Yishan saw it as that hence his reply.
- dreamweapon 12y ago
  Paraphrasing? I think you meant to say, "Sorry, I was just making that up."
  - opendais 12y ago
    > "The best theory I have is that, two weeks earlier, I raised concerns about donating 10% of ad revenue to charity. Some management likes getting feedback, some doesn't." How else could you possibly interpret this rationally in a conversation about being laid off?
    - dreamweapon 12y ago
      A bunch of ways. The point is you didn't present it as an interpretation; you presented it as something he physically, actually said. Which, as you knew, it wasn't.
      - opendais 12y ago
        Eh? I literally said -> "The guy basically said " http://www.italki.com/question/143633 http://www.italki.com/question/143633 "When we summarize something that somebody said, we use this expression. " Eh. You have an interesting way of understanding English I've never encountered before. You also fail to provide said intepretation/explanation/whatever you like to call it. So...ya.
        opendais 12y ago
        I'm replying to myself since I don't feel like waiting and I'm not going to be on for awhile... You basically started an argument on the internet over my use of "" to differentiate between his posts. K. Glad we cleared that up and I don't really care anymore.
        dreamweapon 12y ago
        The distinction lies in your use of quotation marks (rather than subordinate clauses). If you had just said: The guy basically said he was laid off because I pissed off management with his feedback. then it would have been perfectly clear that this was an interpretation of what happened, rather than a literal description of what happened.
    - sheepmullet 12y ago
      >How else could you possibly interpret this rationally in a conversation about being laid off? The way his comment actually reads is: "I really can't work out why I was let go. The only thing I have done out of the ordinary in the last few weeks was ..."
    - imanaccount247 12y ago
      >How else could you possibly interpret this rationally in a conversation about being laid off? I dunno, how about interpreting it as what it says instead of making up an evil motive? It says he wasn't sure why and his best guess was that.
- UK-AL 12y ago
  That combined with Yishan's reply makes it LOOK more retaliatory.
  - opendais 12y ago
    You are welcome to your opinion. ;) But anyone who responds to being called out publicly, isn't retaliating imo.
    - UK-AL 12y ago
      It's not being called out, it's the tone. The tone sounds almost like a playground spat. Which hints at it being personality conflict, rather than a performance thing.
      - nilkn 12y ago
        I have to agree with you. The fact that the CEO himself was so riled up about this is pretty strong evidence that there was a lot more to this story than a lack of productivity.
      - opendais 12y ago
        > It's not being called out, it's the tone. The tone sounds almost like a playground spat. Which hints at it being personality conflict, rather than a performance thing. I've taken that tone with people in this thread to point out how stupid I consider there demonstrably false absolute statements. So...I think the issue here is some people are bothered by Yishan (obviously) and some people are not. Tbh, given the only way a CEO can safely say "you failed to perform" in regards to an employee is if they have documented missed deadlines by that employee...I don't think your point of view is likely grounded in reality. Most (sane & rational) people don't open themselves up to a lawsuit without being pretty sure they evidence to support their statements.
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opendais 12y ago

I was paraphrasing: "Officially: no reason. And I get this; I vaguely know how CA employment law works and that you limit your liability by not stating a reason. It's also really hard to work through in your mind. The best theory I have is that, two weeks earlier, I raised concerns about donating 10% of ad revenue to charity. Some management likes getting feedback, some doesn't. ..." When you make a statement like "Some management likes getting feedback, some doesn't." in relation to being laid off, you are implying it was retaliatory. I'm pretty sure Yishan saw it as that hence his reply.

dreamweapon 12y ago
Paraphrasing? I think you meant to say, "Sorry, I was just making that up."
- opendais 12y ago
  > "The best theory I have is that, two weeks earlier, I raised concerns about donating 10% of ad revenue to charity. Some management likes getting feedback, some doesn't." How else could you possibly interpret this rationally in a conversation about being laid off?
  - dreamweapon 12y ago
    A bunch of ways. The point is you didn't present it as an interpretation; you presented it as something he physically, actually said. Which, as you knew, it wasn't.
    - opendais 12y ago
      Eh? I literally said -> "The guy basically said " http://www.italki.com/question/143633 http://www.italki.com/question/143633 "When we summarize something that somebody said, we use this expression. " Eh. You have an interesting way of understanding English I've never encountered before. You also fail to provide said intepretation/explanation/whatever you like to call it. So...ya.
      - opendais 12y ago
        I'm replying to myself since I don't feel like waiting and I'm not going to be on for awhile... You basically started an argument on the internet over my use of "" to differentiate between his posts. K. Glad we cleared that up and I don't really care anymore.
      - dreamweapon 12y ago
        The distinction lies in your use of quotation marks (rather than subordinate clauses). If you had just said: The guy basically said he was laid off because I pissed off management with his feedback. then it would have been perfectly clear that this was an interpretation of what happened, rather than a literal description of what happened.
  - sheepmullet 12y ago
    >How else could you possibly interpret this rationally in a conversation about being laid off? The way his comment actually reads is: "I really can't work out why I was let go. The only thing I have done out of the ordinary in the last few weeks was ..."
  - imanaccount247 12y ago
    >How else could you possibly interpret this rationally in a conversation about being laid off? I dunno, how about interpreting it as what it says instead of making up an evil motive? It says he wasn't sure why and his best guess was that.
UK-AL 12y ago
That combined with Yishan's reply makes it LOOK more retaliatory.
- opendais 12y ago
  You are welcome to your opinion. ;) But anyone who responds to being called out publicly, isn't retaliating imo.
  - UK-AL 12y ago
    It's not being called out, it's the tone. The tone sounds almost like a playground spat. Which hints at it being personality conflict, rather than a performance thing.
    - nilkn 12y ago
      I have to agree with you. The fact that the CEO himself was so riled up about this is pretty strong evidence that there was a lot more to this story than a lack of productivity.
    - opendais 12y ago
      > It's not being called out, it's the tone. The tone sounds almost like a playground spat. Which hints at it being personality conflict, rather than a performance thing. I've taken that tone with people in this thread to point out how stupid I consider there demonstrably false absolute statements. So...I think the issue here is some people are bothered by Yishan (obviously) and some people are not. Tbh, given the only way a CEO can safely say "you failed to perform" in regards to an employee is if they have documented missed deadlines by that employee...I don't think your point of view is likely grounded in reality. Most (sane & rational) people don't open themselves up to a lawsuit without being pretty sure they evidence to support their statements.

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