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I know nothing about this man, so I decided to look him up... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenn

by jpswade 12y ago

I know nothing about this man, so I decided to look him up... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering#Controversi... "The "Poettering effect" is now sometimes used as a negative term for presumed damage his mindset is doing to opensource communities." https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.sys.raspberry-pi/-02E5S4E6bI/NsFZgjv62yEJ https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.sys.raspberry-pi/... I guess there's two sides to every story... What a strange situation.

hyperpape 12y ago
But notice that's all technical in nature--what he's discussing is abuse and harassment. I don't know a lot about the context, but if he's right, those are very different things--not really two sides at all.
- jpswade 12y ago
  He says "Wow, what an awful community Linux has!". How is that "technical in nature"?
  - hyperpape 12y ago
    No, the reasons people dislike him are primarily technical in nature: they don't trust the things he creates. They respond by attacking him in a very personal and abusive way. That's not an issue that has two sides. That's an issue about his technical work, and then some people doing something abusive. There's two sides to that technical debate, but there's only one side to the other debate, and that's "stop being awful." There would only be two sides if the technical issues surrounding his work somehow justified the abuse. And they don't, because basically nothing justifies that kind of abuse in the tech world. The comment "Linux is an awful community" is not technical, but it came after the abuse. Hopefully you can see that there's a difference between that and threatening someone.
    - jpswade 12y ago
      "Poettering is known for having controversial technical and architectural positions regarding the linux ecosystem" It seems to read that he is basically going around systematically "upsetting the applecart". Now, whether he's doing that technically or otherwise, it's still having an effect on the ecosystem. You can't detach yourself from that.

by jpswade 12y ago

hyperpape 12y ago

But notice that's all technical in nature--what he's discussing is abuse and harassment. I don't know a lot about the context, but if he's right, those are very different things--not really two sides at all.

jpswade 12y ago
He says "Wow, what an awful community Linux has!". How is that "technical in nature"?
- hyperpape 12y ago
  No, the reasons people dislike him are primarily technical in nature: they don't trust the things he creates. They respond by attacking him in a very personal and abusive way. That's not an issue that has two sides. That's an issue about his technical work, and then some people doing something abusive. There's two sides to that technical debate, but there's only one side to the other debate, and that's "stop being awful." There would only be two sides if the technical issues surrounding his work somehow justified the abuse. And they don't, because basically nothing justifies that kind of abuse in the tech world. The comment "Linux is an awful community" is not technical, but it came after the abuse. Hopefully you can see that there's a difference between that and threatening someone.
  - jpswade 12y ago
    "Poettering is known for having controversial technical and architectural positions regarding the linux ecosystem" It seems to read that he is basically going around systematically "upsetting the applecart". Now, whether he's doing that technically or otherwise, it's still having an effect on the ecosystem. You can't detach yourself from that.