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If you dont want to tell your children that they are stuck with shitty-software-X. What mrottenkolber, is stopping you from being an ambitious guy who writes n

by antocv 12y ago

If you dont want to tell your children that they are stuck with shitty-software-X. What mrottenkolber, is stopping you from being an ambitious guy who writes non-shitty-software? Write better tools, and software than Poettering, and leave him alone to write his. Nobody is actually forcing you to use any of his software, no not even Redhat or any other distribution, this is free and open source software, you havent payed for anything, you are free to use whatever software you wish. You have a problem with Poetterings software? Do not use that software. How fucking hard is that?

ginko 12y ago
>What mrottenkolber, is stopping you from being an ambitious guy who writes non-shitty-software? >Write better tools, and software than Poettering, and leave him alone to write his. The general perception is that Poetterig is able to push his software thanks to his position at Red Hat instead of its technical merits.
- gillianseed 12y ago
  >The general perception... Based upon what anecdotal evidence is that the 'general perception' ? And furthermore how on earth would he be able to 'push this software' just because he works at Red Hat ?
- antocv 12y ago
  Why dont you get a position at RedHat or make your own company.
im3w1l 12y ago
>What mrottenkolber, is stopping you from being an ambitious guy who writes non-shitty-software? Yeah. And he should also personally fix global warming and create world peace. Otherwise he has like, no right to complain.
- antocv 12y ago
  He can complain all he wants, but when people go around calling Poettering names, wishing him death, that shit has to stop. Thats not complaining. Thats not whats happening here with systemd. He can complain about global warming all he wants, but if he sends a mail-bomb or threatens any ExxonMobile higher up manager, or bombs an oil-rig, that shit will not be tolerated. Altough you may argue otherwise.
  - mrottenkolber 12y ago
    Whoa slow down there since when is this about me bombing oil-rigs? Please don't connect the "He" in parent to me please?
pessimizer 12y ago
If you don't like systemd, you should leave Linux? That's as silly as saying that if you don't like the new military dictator after the coup, you should get out of the country. It's definitely pragmatic advice (as is 'give me your wallet, or I'll shoot'), but it's morally empty. They're not just creating a different (overcomplicated, impenetrable, still unfinished) way of doing things, they're plowing the old way under. People have lives and businesses that have depended on Linux for decades. They can't just get out, and they don't want to get out. Instead, how about they push the same 10 or so decisionmakers to take their side as the systemd supporters pushed to get into every distro with no alternative? Why is it somehow a terrible act to express your opinion if it is against systemd? edit: and with the abuse that the uselessd guy is taking (steady flames and DDOS), it looks that creating an alternative is a position also hated by systemd supporters.
- not_with_retard 12y ago
  > If you don't like systemd, you should leave Linux? You should probably re-read what was said, instead of spewing nonsense.
mrottenkolber 12y ago
> What mrottenkolber, is stopping you from being an ambitious guy who writes non-shitty-software? That's actually the essence of my online persona: I try to write good software. Not so ambitious though, I am too green to suggest the community should use my software. > You have a problem with Poetterings software? Do not use that software. > How fucking hard is that? I really didn't want to step on anyone's toe here. I thought I made it clear that I oppose the violence. Sorry you feel like taking this on the personal level (irony?). As to "how [..] hard is that?". I don't know, but as others have pointed out, and from what I hear, the guys working on Slackware have to put in some effort to maintain a distribution without systemd.

by antocv 12y ago

ginko 12y ago

>What mrottenkolber, is stopping you from being an ambitious guy who writes non-shitty-software? >Write better tools, and software than Poettering, and leave him alone to write his. The general perception is that Poetterig is able to push his software thanks to his position at Red Hat instead of its technical merits.

gillianseed 12y ago
>The general perception... Based upon what anecdotal evidence is that the 'general perception' ? And furthermore how on earth would he be able to 'push this software' just because he works at Red Hat ?
antocv 12y ago
Why dont you get a position at RedHat or make your own company.

im3w1l 12y ago

>What mrottenkolber, is stopping you from being an ambitious guy who writes non-shitty-software? Yeah. And he should also personally fix global warming and create world peace. Otherwise he has like, no right to complain.

antocv 12y ago
He can complain all he wants, but when people go around calling Poettering names, wishing him death, that shit has to stop. Thats not complaining. Thats not whats happening here with systemd. He can complain about global warming all he wants, but if he sends a mail-bomb or threatens any ExxonMobile higher up manager, or bombs an oil-rig, that shit will not be tolerated. Altough you may argue otherwise.
- mrottenkolber 12y ago
  Whoa slow down there since when is this about me bombing oil-rigs? Please don't connect the "He" in parent to me please?

pessimizer 12y ago

If you don't like systemd, you should leave Linux? That's as silly as saying that if you don't like the new military dictator after the coup, you should get out of the country. It's definitely pragmatic advice (as is 'give me your wallet, or I'll shoot'), but it's morally empty. They're not just creating a different (overcomplicated, impenetrable, still unfinished) way of doing things, they're plowing the old way under. People have lives and businesses that have depended on Linux for decades. They can't just get out, and they don't want to get out. Instead, how about they push the same 10 or so decisionmakers to take their side as the systemd supporters pushed to get into every distro with no alternative? Why is it somehow a terrible act to express your opinion if it is against systemd? edit: and with the abuse that the uselessd guy is taking (steady flames and DDOS), it looks that creating an alternative is a position also hated by systemd supporters.

not_with_retard 12y ago
> If you don't like systemd, you should leave Linux? You should probably re-read what was said, instead of spewing nonsense.

mrottenkolber 12y ago

> What mrottenkolber, is stopping you from being an ambitious guy who writes non-shitty-software? That's actually the essence of my online persona: I try to write good software. Not so ambitious though, I am too green to suggest the community should use my software. > You have a problem with Poetterings software? Do not use that software. > How fucking hard is that? I really didn't want to step on anyone's toe here. I thought I made it clear that I oppose the violence. Sorry you feel like taking this on the personal level (irony?). As to "how [..] hard is that?". I don't know, but as others have pointed out, and from what I hear, the guys working on Slackware have to put in some effort to maintain a distribution without systemd.