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> However my point is I think Lennart's been so carelessly cavalier in rolling out his code, and so unapologetic about the shitstorm he started that he's gotten

by Sammi 12y ago

> However my point is I think Lennart's been so carelessly cavalier in rolling out his code, and so unapologetic about the shitstorm he started that he's gotten a lot of peoples back up. Obviously this doesn't warrant the kind of bullying that he discussed in his post; however although he doesn't deserve such attacks, he has largely brought them on himself. That is the "look what she's wearing" argument. The victim is newer responsible for receiving such violent abuse as Pottering has.

laumars 12y ago
I said about 5 times in my post that he doesn't deserve those kind of attacks, as I wanted to make it perfectly clear that I wasn't stating that he was responsible for it; yet you still drew that conclusion from my post? My point was that if Lennart worked with the community instead of against it then he would have had a more positive experience from the nice guys (who outnumber the dickheads). Or to use your "look what she's wearing" argument, you don't dress like a hooker for a date with a price. But that doesn't mean that a woman cannot wear what she wants and nor that she deserves sexual / physical abuse for her choice in outfits. But that if she wants to change the monarchy then she needs to play along with them and their silly dress codes. It's best to change a system by working with and inside the system. In other words, the nice people in the open source community would be more vocal in support for Lennart and his vision if Lennart worked nicely with the community. Dickheads will always be around (which sucks), but at least their voices would be drowned out by the millions of Lennart supporters.
- Crito 12y ago
  > "date with a price" Freudian slip? ;)
  - laumars 12y ago
    hahaha that's my funniest typo to date. I meant "prince", but I expect everyone had worked that out already :)
sgift 12y ago
No, this is the "you tried to gun me down last week - let me show you the weapon I've bought just for you!" argument: What goes around, comes around.
notacoward 12y ago
OK, so how does that justify his attack on the Linux kernel community in particular? Were Linus or his lieutenants involved in any credible threats against Lennart? Sure, somebody who is incapable of recognizing hyperbole might interpret some of Linus's more immoderate emails as condoning or encouraging such things, but overall Lennart's post seems like using one group's excesses as an excuse to attack another.

by Sammi 12y ago

laumars 12y ago

I said about 5 times in my post that he doesn't deserve those kind of attacks, as I wanted to make it perfectly clear that I wasn't stating that he was responsible for it; yet you still drew that conclusion from my post? My point was that if Lennart worked with the community instead of against it then he would have had a more positive experience from the nice guys (who outnumber the dickheads). Or to use your "look what she's wearing" argument, you don't dress like a hooker for a date with a price. But that doesn't mean that a woman cannot wear what she wants and nor that she deserves sexual / physical abuse for her choice in outfits. But that if she wants to change the monarchy then she needs to play along with them and their silly dress codes. It's best to change a system by working with and inside the system. In other words, the nice people in the open source community would be more vocal in support for Lennart and his vision if Lennart worked nicely with the community. Dickheads will always be around (which sucks), but at least their voices would be drowned out by the millions of Lennart supporters.

Crito 12y ago
> "date with a price" Freudian slip? ;)
- laumars 12y ago
  hahaha that's my funniest typo to date. I meant "prince", but I expect everyone had worked that out already :)

sgift 12y ago

No, this is the "you tried to gun me down last week - let me show you the weapon I've bought just for you!" argument: What goes around, comes around.

notacoward 12y ago

OK, so how does that justify his attack on the Linux kernel community in particular? Were Linus or his lieutenants involved in any credible threats against Lennart? Sure, somebody who is incapable of recognizing hyperbole might interpret some of Linus's more immoderate emails as condoning or encouraging such things, but overall Lennart's post seems like using one group's excesses as an excuse to attack another.