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>>And I highly doubt that male chauvinism/sexism/harassment is the reason women aren't going into tech careers. Then you're wrong - http://fortune.com/2014/10/

by smtddr 12y ago

>>And I highly doubt that male chauvinism/sexism/harassment is the reason women aren't going into tech careers. Then you're wrong - http://fortune.com/2014/10/02/women-leave-tech-culture/ http://fortune.com/2014/10/02/women-leave-tech-culture/

ObviousScience 12y ago
That article doesn't actually claim it's discrimination. Rather, it complains that women don't get enough positive discrimination (ie, discrimination in their favor or against men). > Some women felt that their work environments were discriminatory, but most reported something milder: the simple discomfort of not fitting in in an otherwise homogenous setting. That is, the only actionable thing that it suggests is that you should preferentially hire women so they don't feel so lonely, not that there is any actual discrimination to address.
tzs 12y ago
That article has serious problems. It is basing much of its analysis on the idea that the pipeline into tech no longer is highly unbalanced. The sources cited by the article actually show that this is not correct--the pipeline is still very unbalanced.
- hypatiadotca 12y ago
  The pipeline is unbalanced, yes, but the meat of the article is in how it surveys the reasons women leave.
  - LyndsySimon 12y ago
    The number of females entering tech is a fraction of the number of males. Therefore even eliminating all harassment of females would not bring us closer to equal representation. That's not to say we shouldn't work to eliminate this treatment or an attempt to minimize it in any way, of course. What I believe we should ask ourselves is this: "Is the tech community responsible for the fact that far fewer females see this industry as a reasonable and viable career path?" Until we can answer that question with a confident "nope", then the social conversation around feminism and its role in our community need not be settled. We can work toward a more equal future without addressing the underlying philosophical and political motivations for doing so. Free individuals, voluntarily working together to achieve a common goal. That's what it's all about, people. Forget the lables, find something in common with your neighbors, and make it happen.
    - theevocater 12y ago
      Well, if women are leaving faster than men and often cite reasons of being bullied or otherwise forced out by men... why would women desire to enter that workforce?

by smtddr 12y ago

ObviousScience 12y ago

That article doesn't actually claim it's discrimination. Rather, it complains that women don't get enough positive discrimination (ie, discrimination in their favor or against men). > Some women felt that their work environments were discriminatory, but most reported something milder: the simple discomfort of not fitting in in an otherwise homogenous setting. That is, the only actionable thing that it suggests is that you should preferentially hire women so they don't feel so lonely, not that there is any actual discrimination to address.

tzs 12y ago

That article has serious problems. It is basing much of its analysis on the idea that the pipeline into tech no longer is highly unbalanced. The sources cited by the article actually show that this is not correct--the pipeline is still very unbalanced.

hypatiadotca 12y ago
The pipeline is unbalanced, yes, but the meat of the article is in how it surveys the reasons women leave.
- LyndsySimon 12y ago
  The number of females entering tech is a fraction of the number of males. Therefore even eliminating all harassment of females would not bring us closer to equal representation. That's not to say we shouldn't work to eliminate this treatment or an attempt to minimize it in any way, of course. What I believe we should ask ourselves is this: "Is the tech community responsible for the fact that far fewer females see this industry as a reasonable and viable career path?" Until we can answer that question with a confident "nope", then the social conversation around feminism and its role in our community need not be settled. We can work toward a more equal future without addressing the underlying philosophical and political motivations for doing so. Free individuals, voluntarily working together to achieve a common goal. That's what it's all about, people. Forget the lables, find something in common with your neighbors, and make it happen.
  - theevocater 12y ago
    Well, if women are leaving faster than men and often cite reasons of being bullied or otherwise forced out by men... why would women desire to enter that workforce?