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Uh... how did this thread get buried so quickly? Submitted an hour ago, 68 points and it's already fallen off the first page? Anyways, here's a detailed respon

Uh... how did this thread get buried so quickly? Submitted an hour ago, 68 points and it's already fallen off the first page? Anyways, here's a detailed response about the issue from the CEO: http://www.quora.com/Is-Reddit-closing-their-NYC-and-Salt-Lake-City-offices?share=1 http://www.quora.com/Is-Reddit-closing-their-NYC-and-Salt-La...

minimaxir 12y ago
This was killed as a dupe.
GuiA 12y ago
How do you think it got buried so quickly? HN mods typically kill/bury threads that air out dirty laundry (legitimate or not) about YC companies.
- dang 12y ago
  That is not true. I'm surprised that you would repeat it.
  - GuiA 12y ago
    I've definitely seen it happen, so saying that it isn't true is not very honest. For instance, I distinctly recall a post a year or so ago where someone complained about a YC company that had ripped them off, and PG replied saying he was killing the thread and quoting the penultimate paragraph of "In submissions" from posting guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Maybe you don't enforce it as hardly as you used to, or maybe this thing I saw was a one off, or maybe that guy at the time had crossed a starker line; regardless, saying that it isn't true is misleading.
    - dang 12y ago
      First, you said "typically". That's pretty strong. Second, I know from experience how distorted people's interpretations of these situations can be. You seem sure that you judged one example correctly; I think it's more likely that you jumped to a conclusion. The first thing PG said when teaching me how to moderate HN two years ago was: whatever you do, don't censor stories because they're anti-YC. I think about this every day and try to stick to it. But that doesn't mean that posts like the OP get a free pass just because they say bad things about a YC-funded startup. If we applied the rule that mechanically, we would fail our primary responsibility, which is to keep the quality of HN high. So we do what we can to balance the concerns.
dang 12y ago
I post comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8404139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8404139 to indicate that a story has already been discussed on HN. The rule for reposts is that we demote them as dupes if the item has had significant attention in about a year. Sometimes there are borderline calls, but this isn't one: 152 points and 156 comments is significant attention and 1 day ago is less than a year.
- akmiller 12y ago
  Doesn't "item" denote the actual article that's posted, not the subject of that article. This is a strange definition of duplicate if you can't post different stories about the same topic. Don't we encourage multiple points of view and if we find someones interpretation of the topic interesting doesn't it deserve to live or die on its own?
  - dang 12y ago
    If an article adds significant new information, then sure. But riding on the coat-tails of the latest outrage doesn't count. Don't forget that when any hot story hits the tech press, every outlet puts out one or more articles about it. That makes for dozens of posts. Throw in blogs and there are dozens more. If we didn't prune duplicates, copies, and me-toos, that's all the front page would consist of.
    - knowaveragejoe 12y ago
      Seems like an awfully manual process...
    - akmiller 12y ago
      So naturally, and not to be insensitive, but this rule goes out the window when someone famous dies? I've seen the front page of HN covered with stories about Steve Jobs death (amongst others)?
      - dang 12y ago

minimaxir 12y ago

This was killed as a dupe.

GuiA 12y ago

How do you think it got buried so quickly? HN mods typically kill/bury threads that air out dirty laundry (legitimate or not) about YC companies.

dang 12y ago
That is not true. I'm surprised that you would repeat it.
- GuiA 12y ago
  I've definitely seen it happen, so saying that it isn't true is not very honest. For instance, I distinctly recall a post a year or so ago where someone complained about a YC company that had ripped them off, and PG replied saying he was killing the thread and quoting the penultimate paragraph of "In submissions" from posting guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Maybe you don't enforce it as hardly as you used to, or maybe this thing I saw was a one off, or maybe that guy at the time had crossed a starker line; regardless, saying that it isn't true is misleading.
  - dang 12y ago
    First, you said "typically". That's pretty strong. Second, I know from experience how distorted people's interpretations of these situations can be. You seem sure that you judged one example correctly; I think it's more likely that you jumped to a conclusion. The first thing PG said when teaching me how to moderate HN two years ago was: whatever you do, don't censor stories because they're anti-YC. I think about this every day and try to stick to it. But that doesn't mean that posts like the OP get a free pass just because they say bad things about a YC-funded startup. If we applied the rule that mechanically, we would fail our primary responsibility, which is to keep the quality of HN high. So we do what we can to balance the concerns.

dang 12y ago

I post comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8404139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8404139 to indicate that a story has already been discussed on HN. The rule for reposts is that we demote them as dupes if the item has had significant attention in about a year. Sometimes there are borderline calls, but this isn't one: 152 points and 156 comments is significant attention and 1 day ago is less than a year.

akmiller 12y ago
Doesn't "item" denote the actual article that's posted, not the subject of that article. This is a strange definition of duplicate if you can't post different stories about the same topic. Don't we encourage multiple points of view and if we find someones interpretation of the topic interesting doesn't it deserve to live or die on its own?
- dang 12y ago
  If an article adds significant new information, then sure. But riding on the coat-tails of the latest outrage doesn't count. Don't forget that when any hot story hits the tech press, every outlet puts out one or more articles about it. That makes for dozens of posts. Throw in blogs and there are dozens more. If we didn't prune duplicates, copies, and me-toos, that's all the front page would consist of.
  - knowaveragejoe 12y ago
    Seems like an awfully manual process...
  - akmiller 12y ago
    So naturally, and not to be insensitive, but this rule goes out the window when someone famous dies? I've seen the front page of HN covered with stories about Steve Jobs death (amongst others)?
    - dang 12y ago