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Sad thing is, I don't have a clan. I don't have a beehive, a community. So it seems that the only way for me to "keep the money in the bank" is reproduce physic

Sad thing is, I don't have a clan. I don't have a beehive, a community. So it seems that the only way for me to "keep the money in the bank" is reproduce physically. That's why nuclear family is called nuclear. And today we often have "subnuclear" people without any strong bonds. If I had a kind of clan, the situatiou would be different.

dllthomas 12y ago
So if we take as given that you're going to be focused on the evolutionary component, if you can no longer reproduce then walk up your family tree until you find your closest relative with progeny. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection#Hamilton.27s_rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection#Hamilton.27s_rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusive_fitness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusive_fitness
- guard-of-terra 12y ago
  I'm not a walking set of genes. I'm a human being. What if I don't feel that my "closest relative with progeny" is in any way related to me? I don't care about inclusive fitness. Let the nature do that trick. I care about reproducing something resembling of myself. If my nearest genetic relatives don't resemble myself in any way, I don't care if they reproduce.
  - dllthomas 12y ago
    "I'm not a walking set of genes. I'm a human being." Certainly. But then I'd say that a huge portion of what makes you you is not genetic at all, and like I said much earlier you can always pass on memes.
    - guard-of-terra 12y ago
      I can't reliably pass on memes because I don't have a clan. I'm a lone nation of one (well, two, anyway), and this nation is going to disappear once we die. I can give memes to other unrelated people but I don't know whether they use those for good.
      - dllthomas 12y ago
        You don't know that your children will "use those for good" either. Focus on spreading memes that promote doing good, however you define "doing good".
        guard-of-terra 12y ago
        I don't think that promoting doing good works. It seems that bad things are much easier to promote these days. I don't believe in it anymore. Children are safe bet in that regards (if you failed - means you just passed your failureness to them, good)
        dllthomas 12y ago
        "It seems that bad things are much easier to promote these days." I don't see why that doesn't mean you should work harder at it. Maybe the marginal benefit is minimal, but if the marginal benefit of everything else is zero then it might still be the best option.
        guard-of-terra 12y ago
        It's humiliating trying to walk thru the wall by fruitlees effort.
JoeAltmaier 12y ago
You have a culture that produced you. Maybe we can craft a cultural-selection story.
- guard-of-terra 12y ago
  I don't happen to particularily like that culture. It's toxic for most part. There are some nice touches here and there, but I can't tie myself to it fully.
  - JoeAltmaier 12y ago
    Come on now. There's the whole 'civilization' thing, and hospitals, and Bach, and Led Zeppelin, and eating with a fork... you can go on and on. Culture is more than politics.
    - guard-of-terra 12y ago
      The culture will go without me badly enough. I don't feel that I contribute to it in a meaningful way, even less that I had any say on how things were.
      - DanBC 12y ago
        You're going to have a disasterous time if you discover you are infertile. You might want to develop a different ideology to help you cope in that event. The CD suggests that male fertility problems are not rare. > Many couples struggle with infertility and seek help to become pregnant; however, it is often thought of as only a women’s condition. A CDC study analyzed data from the 2002 National Survey of Family Growth and found that 7.5% of all sexually experienced men younger than age 45 reported seeing a fertility doctor during their lifetime—this equals 3.3–4.7 million men. Of men who sought help, 18% were diagnosed with a male-related infertility problem, including sperm or semen problems (14%) and varicocele (6%). http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/infertility/#a http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/infertility/#a

dllthomas 12y ago

So if we take as given that you're going to be focused on the evolutionary component, if you can no longer reproduce then walk up your family tree until you find your closest relative with progeny. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection#Hamilton.27s_rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection#Hamilton.27s_rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusive_fitness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusive_fitness

guard-of-terra 12y ago
I'm not a walking set of genes. I'm a human being. What if I don't feel that my "closest relative with progeny" is in any way related to me? I don't care about inclusive fitness. Let the nature do that trick. I care about reproducing something resembling of myself. If my nearest genetic relatives don't resemble myself in any way, I don't care if they reproduce.
- dllthomas 12y ago
  "I'm not a walking set of genes. I'm a human being." Certainly. But then I'd say that a huge portion of what makes you you is not genetic at all, and like I said much earlier you can always pass on memes.
  - guard-of-terra 12y ago
    I can't reliably pass on memes because I don't have a clan. I'm a lone nation of one (well, two, anyway), and this nation is going to disappear once we die. I can give memes to other unrelated people but I don't know whether they use those for good.
    - dllthomas 12y ago
      You don't know that your children will "use those for good" either. Focus on spreading memes that promote doing good, however you define "doing good".
      - guard-of-terra 12y ago
        I don't think that promoting doing good works. It seems that bad things are much easier to promote these days. I don't believe in it anymore. Children are safe bet in that regards (if you failed - means you just passed your failureness to them, good)
        dllthomas 12y ago
        "It seems that bad things are much easier to promote these days." I don't see why that doesn't mean you should work harder at it. Maybe the marginal benefit is minimal, but if the marginal benefit of everything else is zero then it might still be the best option.
        guard-of-terra 12y ago
        It's humiliating trying to walk thru the wall by fruitlees effort.

JoeAltmaier 12y ago

You have a culture that produced you. Maybe we can craft a cultural-selection story.

guard-of-terra 12y ago
I don't happen to particularily like that culture. It's toxic for most part. There are some nice touches here and there, but I can't tie myself to it fully.
- JoeAltmaier 12y ago
  Come on now. There's the whole 'civilization' thing, and hospitals, and Bach, and Led Zeppelin, and eating with a fork... you can go on and on. Culture is more than politics.
  - guard-of-terra 12y ago
    The culture will go without me badly enough. I don't feel that I contribute to it in a meaningful way, even less that I had any say on how things were.
    - DanBC 12y ago
      You're going to have a disasterous time if you discover you are infertile. You might want to develop a different ideology to help you cope in that event. The CD suggests that male fertility problems are not rare. > Many couples struggle with infertility and seek help to become pregnant; however, it is often thought of as only a women’s condition. A CDC study analyzed data from the 2002 National Survey of Family Growth and found that 7.5% of all sexually experienced men younger than age 45 reported seeing a fertility doctor during their lifetime—this equals 3.3–4.7 million men. Of men who sought help, 18% were diagnosed with a male-related infertility problem, including sperm or semen problems (14%) and varicocele (6%). http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/infertility/#a http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/infertility/#a