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It's interesting to note but bandwidth is going to be expensive for me compared to Linode's no charge for the first 2 TB. With Google this would come to $240 if

by diltonm 12y ago

It's interesting to note but bandwidth is going to be expensive for me compared to Linode's no charge for the first 2 TB. With Google this would come to $240 if I'm calculating it right.

Someone1234 12y ago
Linode likely over-sells their bandwidth. They also have a "fair use clause" in the terms of service that covers network consumption. Try to use the full 2 TB every single month on the $10/month tier and see how long before you get a polite email asking you to stop. Which isn't to say the $240 price tag isn't high, because it is. But they're likely matching Amazon AWS/Azure which charges a similar amount for outgoing data (2 TB is $235-255).
- opendais 12y ago
  No, Linode just uses HE.net, Cogent, etc.. http://he.net/ http://he.net/ "Get BGP+IPv6+IPv4 for $0.45/Mbps!" Hurricane Electric is pretty cheap. You can hit 2TB a month on 10mbps. That is only ~$4.50 a month. There are a couple tricks with it: 1) On a $10 Linode, you aren't going to upload 2TB a month unless you are acting as a file server. Any kind of application [say, wordpress] isn't going to do it. 2) The majority of people won't max out their bandwidth usage because they are running app/database servers on Linode. They probably take a small loss on the people maxing out their 2TB a month but on average they aren't. It isn't worth the bad PR to kick a small percentage of small net loss customers. http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1292091 http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1292091 fyi, back in 2013 Cogent was doing sub $1/Mbps as well. Bandwidth from the cheap providers is cheap. The difference is AWS & Google are making their margins on what they charge for bandwidth is my guess.
  - Igglyboo 12y ago
    I've seen Hurricane Electric before but I didn't understand what they were. Can you explain how they are different from a traditional ISP like Comcast?
    - derefr 12y ago
      They're an ISP that provides service to data centres, not offices/residences. (And some of those client data centres are run by other ISPs—thus making them a "transit provider" for those ISPs.)
    - opendais 12y ago
      The real difference between a 'traditional' ISP and a Level3/Cogent/HE.net/etc is the market space they operate in. Nothing really prevents "Comcast" from acting like "HE" except its not a market they are interested in. HE.net sells to businesses and provides wholesale bandwidth over fiber its purchased and/or leased routes. Traditional ISPs sell to the general public and provide last mile connectivity. They then hook up to Level3/Cogent/HE.Net/etc to provide access to the rest of the internet For example, Comcast doesn't have any international PoPs. http://business.comcast.com/about-us/our-network http://business.comcast.com/about-us/our-network vs. http://he.net/HurricaneElectricNetworkMap.pdf http://he.net/HurricaneElectricNetworkMap.pdf
- giulianob 12y ago
  Also on Linode the bandwidth is accumulated between all of your nodes. That means if you have 2 nodes each with 2TB, you can spend 3TB on one node without paying overage fees. It's actually cheaper to buy extra nodes for the bandwidth even if you don't use them for compute than to pay their overage fees (which are quite high comparatively).
- revelation 12y ago
  2TB at $240 isn't high, it's insane. This would be a terribly easy thing for Google to do to cut prices to a point they are still perfectly comfortable with but the competition can't match.
  - opendais 12y ago
    Yes. However, if that is where they make their margins... Tbh, anything over $.02/GB is overpriced. That is still $20/TB which is plenty. There are CDNs that sell @ $10/TB ffs.
    - pdpi 12y ago
      I have a server hosted with Hetzner, and they state that they charge 2 EUR per TBover a 10 TB allowance, so... yeah. $20/TB seems more than just plenty.
      - opendais 12y ago
        Hetzner is a bargain dedicated host that keeps things as close to max capacity as it can. Hetzner has a relatively static customer base compared to a cloud provider that might have customers only spin up VMs during peak hours. If you are only running on less than 50% utilization during peaks on an average day, you can't charge just 2 Euros for a TB as a cloud provider. The usage of VMs, bandwidth, etc. is very variable when people use you to "autoscale". I wouldn't be surprised if $20/TB was barely sufficient to cover a 100% markup [e.g. Cost of capacity is $10/TB, selling at $20/TB] because of the fact they'd need alot more capacity than Hetzner would.

by diltonm 12y ago

It's interesting to note but bandwidth is going to be expensive for me compared to Linode's no charge for the first 2 TB. With Google this would come to $240 if I'm calculating it right.

Someone1234 12y ago

Linode likely over-sells their bandwidth. They also have a "fair use clause" in the terms of service that covers network consumption. Try to use the full 2 TB every single month on the $10/month tier and see how long before you get a polite email asking you to stop. Which isn't to say the $240 price tag isn't high, because it is. But they're likely matching Amazon AWS/Azure which charges a similar amount for outgoing data (2 TB is $235-255).

opendais 12y ago
No, Linode just uses HE.net, Cogent, etc.. http://he.net/ http://he.net/ "Get BGP+IPv6+IPv4 for $0.45/Mbps!" Hurricane Electric is pretty cheap. You can hit 2TB a month on 10mbps. That is only ~$4.50 a month. There are a couple tricks with it: 1) On a $10 Linode, you aren't going to upload 2TB a month unless you are acting as a file server. Any kind of application [say, wordpress] isn't going to do it. 2) The majority of people won't max out their bandwidth usage because they are running app/database servers on Linode. They probably take a small loss on the people maxing out their 2TB a month but on average they aren't. It isn't worth the bad PR to kick a small percentage of small net loss customers. http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1292091 http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1292091 fyi, back in 2013 Cogent was doing sub $1/Mbps as well. Bandwidth from the cheap providers is cheap. The difference is AWS & Google are making their margins on what they charge for bandwidth is my guess.
- Igglyboo 12y ago
  I've seen Hurricane Electric before but I didn't understand what they were. Can you explain how they are different from a traditional ISP like Comcast?
  - derefr 12y ago
    They're an ISP that provides service to data centres, not offices/residences. (And some of those client data centres are run by other ISPs—thus making them a "transit provider" for those ISPs.)
  - opendais 12y ago
    The real difference between a 'traditional' ISP and a Level3/Cogent/HE.net/etc is the market space they operate in. Nothing really prevents "Comcast" from acting like "HE" except its not a market they are interested in. HE.net sells to businesses and provides wholesale bandwidth over fiber its purchased and/or leased routes. Traditional ISPs sell to the general public and provide last mile connectivity. They then hook up to Level3/Cogent/HE.Net/etc to provide access to the rest of the internet For example, Comcast doesn't have any international PoPs. http://business.comcast.com/about-us/our-network http://business.comcast.com/about-us/our-network vs. http://he.net/HurricaneElectricNetworkMap.pdf http://he.net/HurricaneElectricNetworkMap.pdf
giulianob 12y ago
Also on Linode the bandwidth is accumulated between all of your nodes. That means if you have 2 nodes each with 2TB, you can spend 3TB on one node without paying overage fees. It's actually cheaper to buy extra nodes for the bandwidth even if you don't use them for compute than to pay their overage fees (which are quite high comparatively).
revelation 12y ago
2TB at $240 isn't high, it's insane. This would be a terribly easy thing for Google to do to cut prices to a point they are still perfectly comfortable with but the competition can't match.
- opendais 12y ago
  Yes. However, if that is where they make their margins... Tbh, anything over $.02/GB is overpriced. That is still $20/TB which is plenty. There are CDNs that sell @ $10/TB ffs.
  - pdpi 12y ago
    I have a server hosted with Hetzner, and they state that they charge 2 EUR per TBover a 10 TB allowance, so... yeah. $20/TB seems more than just plenty.
    - opendais 12y ago
      Hetzner is a bargain dedicated host that keeps things as close to max capacity as it can. Hetzner has a relatively static customer base compared to a cloud provider that might have customers only spin up VMs during peak hours. If you are only running on less than 50% utilization during peaks on an average day, you can't charge just 2 Euros for a TB as a cloud provider. The usage of VMs, bandwidth, etc. is very variable when people use you to "autoscale". I wouldn't be surprised if $20/TB was barely sufficient to cover a 100% markup [e.g. Cost of capacity is $10/TB, selling at $20/TB] because of the fact they'd need alot more capacity than Hetzner would.