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I wonder how effective this will be after it gets published in mass media. I, for one, will now surely remember to use a "shoulder-surfing" perspective if I eve

by moe 17y ago

I wonder how effective this will be after it gets published in mass media. I, for one, will now surely remember to use a "shoulder-surfing" perspective if I ever get into such a situation...

thorax 17y ago
Lie detection techniques are a bit like secure software; eventually the best of the best will be good at reducing the reliability of the best expert. And once a technique is covered on enough episodes of CSI/Lie to Me, then the "script kiddies" might be able to fool them sometimes, too. Later, though, liars will have to eventually beat systems like this: http://noliemri.com/products/Overview.htm http://noliemri.com/products/Overview.htm
NathanKP 17y ago
That is a good point. A trained criminal will probably not fall for this because they will study articles such as this to learn about what they should draw, how they should respond, etc. Even a lie detector can probably be fooled by someone who knows how to keep themselves calm while lying.
- igorhvr 17y ago
  There is no such thing as a "lie detector". It is all nonsense. And it is dangerous and harmful that people think that lie detectors are worth something. If you want to understand why, you can read what is on http://antipolygraph.org/ http://antipolygraph.org/
  - NathanKP 17y ago
    I actually agree with you. The polygraph isn't useful. To my way of thinking people can scam it just like they could scam the drawing test. But what is even worse about the polygraph is that it will often misreport someone as lying when they told the truth. That's why polygraph test aren't usually accepted in court in my country. For that matter, though, I don't think any type lie detector test, polygraph, drawing, etc is really worthy of being used as court evidence. It may help law officials who suspect that someone is lying, but it isn't going to be conclusive proof no matter how you do it.
jhancock 17y ago
I'm glad I read it. I'm pretty sure I would always draw like the "liar". I am a terrible artist and resort to boxes and lines from the overhead view. I better start practicing some truth art.
Confusion 17y ago
But then the psychologist determines that you're one of the types that would have normally have used an 'overview' perspective, branding you either 'too smart' or 'a manipulator', neither of which is good. For another failure mode: they should repeat the experiment such that some people in both groups are told in no uncertain terms that the other party thinks they are lying. How many of the 'truth speakers' would start drawing overview pictures in order to try and convince the other that they must have been there? Or for another variety: allow everyone to visit the location and have the talk, but tell one half to do everything to lie about it and introduce some stress. Some people crack so soon under stress that they will actually start believing their own lies. This entire line of investigation is useless.
jrockway 17y ago
I, for one, will simply refuse. You don't have to testify against yourself, and not drawing is a lot easier than drawing.

by moe 17y ago

I wonder how effective this will be after it gets published in mass media. I, for one, will now surely remember to use a "shoulder-surfing" perspective if I ever get into such a situation...

thorax 17y ago

Lie detection techniques are a bit like secure software; eventually the best of the best will be good at reducing the reliability of the best expert. And once a technique is covered on enough episodes of CSI/Lie to Me, then the "script kiddies" might be able to fool them sometimes, too. Later, though, liars will have to eventually beat systems like this: http://noliemri.com/products/Overview.htm http://noliemri.com/products/Overview.htm

NathanKP 17y ago

That is a good point. A trained criminal will probably not fall for this because they will study articles such as this to learn about what they should draw, how they should respond, etc. Even a lie detector can probably be fooled by someone who knows how to keep themselves calm while lying.

igorhvr 17y ago
There is no such thing as a "lie detector". It is all nonsense. And it is dangerous and harmful that people think that lie detectors are worth something. If you want to understand why, you can read what is on http://antipolygraph.org/ http://antipolygraph.org/
- NathanKP 17y ago
  I actually agree with you. The polygraph isn't useful. To my way of thinking people can scam it just like they could scam the drawing test. But what is even worse about the polygraph is that it will often misreport someone as lying when they told the truth. That's why polygraph test aren't usually accepted in court in my country. For that matter, though, I don't think any type lie detector test, polygraph, drawing, etc is really worthy of being used as court evidence. It may help law officials who suspect that someone is lying, but it isn't going to be conclusive proof no matter how you do it.

jhancock 17y ago

I'm glad I read it. I'm pretty sure I would always draw like the "liar". I am a terrible artist and resort to boxes and lines from the overhead view. I better start practicing some truth art.

Confusion 17y ago

But then the psychologist determines that you're one of the types that would have normally have used an 'overview' perspective, branding you either 'too smart' or 'a manipulator', neither of which is good. For another failure mode: they should repeat the experiment such that some people in both groups are told in no uncertain terms that the other party thinks they are lying. How many of the 'truth speakers' would start drawing overview pictures in order to try and convince the other that they must have been there? Or for another variety: allow everyone to visit the location and have the talk, but tell one half to do everything to lie about it and introduce some stress. Some people crack so soon under stress that they will actually start believing their own lies. This entire line of investigation is useless.

jrockway 17y ago

I, for one, will simply refuse. You don't have to testify against yourself, and not drawing is a lot easier than drawing.