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A good place to start is to refuse to cooperate with evil. The justice system depends on the active and passive cooperation of the general public. Do not call

by bcoates 12y ago

A good place to start is to refuse to cooperate with evil. The justice system depends on the active and passive cooperation of the general public. Do not call the police. If the police wish to speak with you, on any matter, politely decline. If a known police or corrections employee tries to do business with you or at a place you work, inform them that their kind are not welcome here. Don't underestimate the extent to which people are driven by the need to be welcomed and accepted by society. Shunning is a powerful tool of social control. If you're more the "positive" type, consider encouraging your company to drop its official or unofficial policy against hiring felons (I'm making a reasonably safe assumption here). There are subsidies, tax credits, and insurance programs that might help your case, but it's easier to just not bother. Be the troublemaker that makes it easier to do the right thing.

Chronic29 12y ago
And quite many people are self-motivated/satisfaction and do not need extrinsic motivation. Even if they are shunned they will still continue to behave as the normally would have.
morgante 12y ago
> Do not call the police. What? So if I'm getting mugged, murdered, or robbed I should just accept it? Or maybe I should build a personal arsenal so as to protect myself from all possible threats from criminals? This all sounds ridiculously Hobbesian to me. I'm no fan of the police, but the alternative isn't a state of nature.
- rdtsc 12y ago
  Maybe the advice is don't call the police unless you absolutely have to. Now you might ask, well who calls the police just for fun or when they don't need them. Well when there is a family dispute I heard once a parent would call the police to "talk some sense" into their child who is throwing a tantrum. Then police come and child in a hysterical state swats at them with a spoon and gets shot and killed on the spot. You might see neighbours across the street being loud, call the police and they come to your house instead and shoot your dog. So by no means call if you have but know how to interact with them.
- ObviousScience 12y ago
  What are the police going to do about your being mugged? I find it interesting that out of three examples, you happened to list one where the police can't possibly intercede without already being there, and your calling only serves to start a pretend hunt for lost property (hint: finding your stolen laptop is not their top priority), but will serve as justification if they want to rough up some local tough later. Again, what do you think the police are going to do if you've already been mugged? I'm genuinely curious as to why you listed that as a case you should call the police in.
  - MichaelApproved 12y ago
    If there is a rise in reported crime in a certain area, a good police department will increase patrol around there. Sure, you can say that it won't always happen but it actually does happen. Call the police to report a crime. Pick another method of protest.
    - ObviousScience 12y ago
      So the only proposed benefit of calling the police when you're mugged is that they have another source of information about where muggings are happening, to compliment others and help inform their police distribution? That seems a) unnecessary because they have other channels for the same information, and b) easily replaceable by a one-way interaction, eg, throwing the fact at them without providing an official statement. Mugging statements are used to create suspect profiles that often target people of the same race who only happen to have a passing resemblance (eg, being black with the same color shirt), and can lead to violence or death when the police chase the wrong person. That you want the police to distribute themselves different is a pretty weak excuse to send them chasing off after potentially innocent people. Your comment might me more meaningful if police didn't routinely chase, injure, and kill the wrong person because they got confused about a description.
      - jamespo 12y ago
        "routinely" is weasel words - how frequently are we talking about here?
- jessaustin 12y ago
  Calling the police is like using regular expressions: now you have two problems. You shouldn't expect them to stop crime in progress: if you actually ask a cop she'll tell you that's not their job. Instead, they show up at some random time after the crime is over and do cop things: detain, intimidate, shoot pets, destroy property, confiscate, etc. Why would you invite anyone to your home or neighborhood to do those things? In some cases you have no choice because you're required by law to call the police. Those are the only occasions upon which you should call them.
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- shams93 12y ago
  Yeah was car jacked had my elbow ripped out of the socket police showed up... and left laughing at me, not even a joke. But given the laws in california if I had defended myself I'd likely still be locked up, some one paying $18 to send me an email

by bcoates 12y ago

Chronic29 12y ago

And quite many people are self-motivated/satisfaction and do not need extrinsic motivation. Even if they are shunned they will still continue to behave as the normally would have.

morgante 12y ago

> Do not call the police. What? So if I'm getting mugged, murdered, or robbed I should just accept it? Or maybe I should build a personal arsenal so as to protect myself from all possible threats from criminals? This all sounds ridiculously Hobbesian to me. I'm no fan of the police, but the alternative isn't a state of nature.

rdtsc 12y ago
Maybe the advice is don't call the police unless you absolutely have to. Now you might ask, well who calls the police just for fun or when they don't need them. Well when there is a family dispute I heard once a parent would call the police to "talk some sense" into their child who is throwing a tantrum. Then police come and child in a hysterical state swats at them with a spoon and gets shot and killed on the spot. You might see neighbours across the street being loud, call the police and they come to your house instead and shoot your dog. So by no means call if you have but know how to interact with them.
ObviousScience 12y ago
What are the police going to do about your being mugged? I find it interesting that out of three examples, you happened to list one where the police can't possibly intercede without already being there, and your calling only serves to start a pretend hunt for lost property (hint: finding your stolen laptop is not their top priority), but will serve as justification if they want to rough up some local tough later. Again, what do you think the police are going to do if you've already been mugged? I'm genuinely curious as to why you listed that as a case you should call the police in.
- MichaelApproved 12y ago
  If there is a rise in reported crime in a certain area, a good police department will increase patrol around there. Sure, you can say that it won't always happen but it actually does happen. Call the police to report a crime. Pick another method of protest.
  - ObviousScience 12y ago
    So the only proposed benefit of calling the police when you're mugged is that they have another source of information about where muggings are happening, to compliment others and help inform their police distribution? That seems a) unnecessary because they have other channels for the same information, and b) easily replaceable by a one-way interaction, eg, throwing the fact at them without providing an official statement. Mugging statements are used to create suspect profiles that often target people of the same race who only happen to have a passing resemblance (eg, being black with the same color shirt), and can lead to violence or death when the police chase the wrong person. That you want the police to distribute themselves different is a pretty weak excuse to send them chasing off after potentially innocent people. Your comment might me more meaningful if police didn't routinely chase, injure, and kill the wrong person because they got confused about a description.
    - jamespo 12y ago
      "routinely" is weasel words - how frequently are we talking about here?
jessaustin 12y ago
Calling the police is like using regular expressions: now you have two problems. You shouldn't expect them to stop crime in progress: if you actually ask a cop she'll tell you that's not their job. Instead, they show up at some random time after the crime is over and do cop things: detain, intimidate, shoot pets, destroy property, confiscate, etc. Why would you invite anyone to your home or neighborhood to do those things? In some cases you have no choice because you're required by law to call the police. Those are the only occasions upon which you should call them.
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shams93 12y ago
Yeah was car jacked had my elbow ripped out of the socket police showed up... and left laughing at me, not even a joke. But given the laws in california if I had defended myself I'd likely still be locked up, some one paying $18 to send me an email