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We've been hamstrung by a UI/UX that made a lot more sense when we only had a dozen active subreddits https://web.archive.org/web/20080410190800/http://reddit.
by alexis 12y ago
We've been hamstrung by a UI/UX that made a lot more sense when we only had a dozen active subreddits
https://web.archive.org/web/20080410190800/http://reddit.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20080410190800/http://reddit.com...
reddit is a platform for communities like twitter is a platform for individuals. There are a half million communities now on reddit and our onboarding experience should do a better job exposing people to the communities they love (kinda like twitter does but less ham-fisted).
e.g.,
There are Cleveland Browns fans who've visited reddit every day for years and don't realize there's a r/clevelandbrowns community that they'd love, not to mention r/cleveland and r/foodporn or whatever other communities they'd dig.
That's the vast majority of reddit content but we're not doing a good job exposing it.
- lziz 12y agoHave you thought about making the "trending" feature more prominent/content-rich? I've found a bunch of new subs I've come to love through it.
- alexis 12y agoI got excited when I saw that feature. It's a shame it's riding the meme of another platform, but people instantly "get it," at least. The core problem is people don't even understand how the site works (subscribe to communities you like). That's something the team is still working on improving in a non-annoying way. Mobile is going to be a big part of it, I think.
- lziz 12y agoI've always thought the user flow that a lot of newsfeed apps use would work well for reddit. (ex: show a list/grid of communities/topics, check the ones that interest you, maybe show some recent posts from them as a preview). Given that new signups are plopped right back to the home page after registration I can see how they don't immediately get it. Hell, even redirect to /subreddits (which, I suppose IS what I described above, but less guided/interactive) after signup could help people get into the curation part more.
- jianshen 12y agoI most often discover new subreddits by clicking "Other discussions" on links that I particularly like. That's how I discovered /r/artisanvideos. I'd love to see those related subreddit threads (possibly sorted by activity) be surfaced more visually when I visit a comments page to find our more about it. Just an anecdote but I feel like you guys have a lot of data to play with.
- rtx 12y agoA simple video link when you make a new account works.
- Balgair 12y agoSince I cannot Pm you here: 1) Thanks a ton for the site, I have enjoyed many hours on it and find that it has made my world better. 2)As with any growth, things will fall to the human norm. It's fine, but thank you for fighting the good fight, I know it's not said much, but thank you. 3)Best on the new round of funding, yall worked hard and you deserve it. 4)I came to HN to escape reddit, actually. Yes, I'm in a ton of subs and it helps, but I also like seeing what other people are talking about. I find the content here better, though it is falling behind too. It helps me escape my 'filter bubble'. I've no idea how to keep the rice and throw the husk, but keep working on it, I believe in you guys. 5)Quick note, everytime I try to post in a sub I like, I get autobanned for not reading some obscure rule I can't see in my browser. It is very discouraging and leads me to firmly stay in the lurker category. Please give the mods better stuff to manage with. Also, having to read for 10 minutes to post a EE or CompSci question is tough, i just go to StackOverflow then, it turns me off. 6) Advice: Your lurkers and your posters are very different populations. Make sure to reach out to the lurkers too, as I can guess the posters are the ones that you interact with most of the time. 7) Idea: Maybe limit the group size you are in. Read the IP and tag it into 1 group or another. Put visitors in different groups automatically. I'm not saying people in cleaveland are in one group. I mean limit the size of a group of frontpages. I remember hearing that people can't remember the names of more than 150 people close to them. My idea is based on that. Force people into smaller groups where they interact. And yes, lurkers would be a problem here. It makes a big site small.
- fphhotchips 12y agoStack Overflow isn't much better. "What should I use to do this?" - That question isn't inline with our format "How do I do this?" - This question is a duplicate of <question asked 4 years ago with a few similar keywords> "How do I do this exact thing with this version of this software?" - No response, because no one on SO uses that software with that version, which you would have known if you could have asked the "What should I use" question. Don't get me wrong, I love stack exchange/overflow, but it can be quite frustrating.
- Balgair 12y agoWell, at least I can ask a question there. On reddit, your post just gets thrown away by a bot for not conforming to the rules that are buried somewhere. It's frustrating. On SO, even though it is likely that my ? won't be seen or read or answered, at least there is a chance as it is not auto-banned. Also, real quick: shadowbanning?! I mean, talk about terrible. You don't even know you are talking to no-one. Yes, yes, trolls, but still, it's just crazy what they have come up with to deal with them.
- MysticFear 12y agoUpvotes should be weighed by a metric. Just as an example: New users should have less voting power and users with more karma should have a larger voting power with their upvote. Would decrease upvote/downvote bots, incentivizes good content (higher karma gives you slightly more voting power).
- bobcostas55 12y agoHigh karma users are the worst though, why would you want to give them more power?
- Semaphor 12y agoExactly what Reddit needs, more reasons to karmawhore. I mean the idea doesn't sound too bad, but the problem is that users with the most karma are usually those who post the most low-effort content. Memes, Lists, message-in-headline articles, etc.
- jn1234 12y agoI think that how long the account has been around should have more of an effect to a cut off like 6 months or 1 year. It's pretty easy to accumulate karma by making garbage posts with memes and spamming those.
- EdwardDiego 12y ago> users with more karma should have a larger voting power with their upvote That will just make it more valuable to game the karma system. .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidan#Vote_Fraud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidan#Vote_Fraud
- danielweber 12y agoWhy in the world does that Wikipedia page exist?
- freehunter 12y agoReally? Unidan has his own page? If ever there was a reason for Wikipedia's speedy deletion... Is /u/shittywatercolour notable enough too? Holy shit, he is. Is Wikipedia trying to be knowyourmeme.com?
- btrautsc 12y agoThis hits home for me. Finding r/memphisgrizzlies just over a year ago changed my life (and sadly killed so much productivity).
- kyro 12y agoI think my main issue is with the front page and default subs. They are so unrepresentative of the great quality that can be found, and yet that's the face reddit chooses to put on. Why have default subs at all? Why not rotate through a constantly changing set of high-quality subs throughout the front page? Or why emphasize individual stories on the front page and instead present snippets of entire subreddits, almost like a real newspaper?
- jiggy2011 12y agoThe high quality subs are high quality because they have limited appeal. It's the same way HN keeps a reasonable level of quality, if there way an influx of people here who weren't interested in technology/programming and just wanted to talk about video games or politics then the quality would go down.
- TylerE 12y agoAvoiding a sort of Web 2.0 of the old usenet "Back to School newbie flood" certainly helps. It takes a really good mod team to stand up against the flood. See the decline of /r/books, for instance.
- jiggy2011 12y agoThat's why keeping the default subs as light hearted funny content helps. They act as a sponge to soak up impulsive low quality comments.
- tomjen3 12y agoaskhistorians and askscience have relatively broad appeal, have a very high level of quality and are extremely heavily moderated. In my experince (and it is extensive, I signed up in august 2006) the heavier you moderate a subreddit the better the quality, although a bad moderator can kill a subreddit fast.
- Semaphor 12y ago> the heavier you moderate a subreddit the better the quality Also focus. AH and AS are both focused on what they do which allows them to have pretty clear rules, that doesn't work for all subs. And bigger subs with subjective rules can easily end in revolting users and sinking quality.
- toomuchtodo 12y ago> e.g., There are Cleveland Browns fans who've visited reddit every day for years and don't realize there's a r/clevelandbrowns community that they'd love, not to mention r/cleveland and r/foodporn or whatever other communities they'd dig. Maybe use IP address geolocation to suggest subreddits during onboarding?
- ohyesyodo 12y agoThey already do I think? At least the default subreddit list (or whatever it calls - the subreddits shown top of screen) includes swedish subreddits when I'm not logged on.
- SL61 12y agoYeah, when the new defaults were added 4-ish months ago, they experimented with some country-specific defaults. I think they only set it up for Sweden though. Edit: Actually, Kenya, Sweden, and Singapore. http://www.reddit.com/r/bugs/comments/27rxzs/strange_subreddits_showing_up_on_frontpage/ci3wsxp http://www.reddit.com/r/bugs/comments/27rxzs/strange_subredd...
- Alex3917 12y ago> There are Cleveland Browns fans who've visited reddit every day for years and don't realize there's a r/clevelandbrowns community that they'd love Can you use retargeting to drive people on the frontpage to appropriate subreddits?
- cyanbane 12y agoI think it just comes down to better placement of subreddit suggestions somewhere in the UI. Reddit is a very word heavy UI (which I like) but sometimes features (no matter how awesome at the core) get lost in the text or the pics/vids that standout so much on the front page.
- bentcorner 12y agoThe vast majority (if not all) of subreddits I've discovered over the years has been because of getting linked to them by other users. True moments of wonder are often discovered when linked to a subreddit that is a completely different world. /r/ooer, for example. (I'll add a nsfw warning for that page just to be cautious - I literally have no idea what's going on there). I would never discover subreddits like that one without the help of other users.
- DigitalJack 12y agoI'd be interested in a questionaire ala Netflix for suggestions on subreddits that I might find interesting.
- flatline 12y agoI've been on the site for -- god, 8 years now? (I deleted my first account or I would know for sure..) I used to be happy with a lot of the default content, but the site has naturally changed a lot in that time. I personally find all the AdviceAnimals/meme stuff to be mind-numbing and it is the default now. The trending subreddits were a good idea and I think are along the right lines but usually only serve to expose some poor hobbyist subreddit to the drooling masses. There's been a ton of work on recommendation engines over the last decade or so, I think that personalizing the trending sr concept would not be so difficult and would be a fun project, possibly even a side project, based on your comment and submission history against some hand-picked baseline. I just recently discovered /r/buddhism, and it's a pretty good and active sr, but I had seen and quickly dismissed /r/zen years ago and never thought to look further. Another case is that I develop an interest in something and just never think to check for an active subreddit, kind of like the Browns fan you mentioned. So even if you know what you're looking for you may not find it, even though it's right there, even though there may be a link for it right in front of you (the right sidebar is where information goes to die).
- visarga 12y ago> I used to be happy with a lot of the default content, but the site has naturally changed a lot in that time I'd like to filter out most of "easy consumption" content such as imgur images, and boost long-form, interesting reading articles, especially when they come with in-depth discussions. I am sure the reading level of a comment or article can be judged with machine learning, a way of scoring the "fluff-ness" can be devised and the feed cleaned up.
- cookiecaper 12y agoreddit has a long way to go before it can function as a universal community platform like twitter functions as a universal individual broadcast platform. The biggest problem is that reddit has a personality. It doesn't just have a tendency or a leniency imposed by the fundamental platform constraints. You go to Twitter when you want short updates or broadcasts from any type of people. Everyone can use it and feel comfortable on Twitter. If someone doesn't want to hear what Alexis Ohanian or people like him think, they can simply unfollow (or not follow in the first place). But it doesn't work that way on reddit. reddit has a very monotonous, uniform identity and archetype. The admins obviously know this and it's been a big part of reddit's success up to this point, but now, if reddit wants to continue to grow and influence other circles, it has to sanitize from any type of specific personality or affiliation. It's more than just allowing ostracized subs as a matter of free speech. Yes, subs on reddit can exist for almost anything, but they're starved, brigraded, and slanted. The audience is very hostile and actively tries to intimidate and scare away people who don't match their intended philosophy. It's not like Twitter where you may upset a group and have to deal with some upset tweets. On reddit, if you earn the ire or attention of most redditors, you're going to be in deep shit and your community will be inoperable. Show reddit to your mom and she'll be appalled by the front page, she'll be out of there by the time she gets to the second link and see that it's anti-Republican or has the "f-word" in it. That's all fine for what reddit has been so far (a place for left-leaning counter-culture nerds to talk about left-leaning counter-culture nerd stuff), but it's not fine for what reddit wants to be (a universal platform for communities of all types and affiliations). Interestingly this conflicts with your larger point to some extent. Reddit doesn't just need to introduce more subreddits to users, it needs to introduce different users to the platform. The convention on reddit right now seems to be that rational conservatives or religious people or others don't exist, and you'll see stuff that's openly hostile to these groups all over the front page, but in reality, a huge amount of people are conservative, religious, or something else that reddit in general openly loathes. reddit has to figure out how to make a community that is gentle and welcoming to these people, not hostile or intimidating, and I don't mean that as a general "your UI is not good enough", but I mean it in the very real sense that most people will be very upset at the hostility they encounter if they try to post anything to reddit, if you can even convince them to get that far. The platform needs to enforce some type of natural separation. Twitter seems to accomplish this by asking the user what they want to see before they show them anything. That way, people who hate the Pope aren't subjected to his tweets, and people who hate Rachel Maddow aren't subjected to her tweets. Tweets are also discrete units, which makes it so that there is little forced intermingling between hostile parties, whereas reddit articles come with all of the comments and baggage attached, and you can't share them without sharing the comment thread, which invariably across practically every subreddit has a very specific slant that doesn't necessarily correlate with universal values.
- publicfig 12y agoOne nice thing would be a "Related Subreddit" spot on every post's comments. These can be user added and voted on based off of relevance. Page admins would be able to disable their subreddit from showing up in these if they are trying to maintain a smaller community, but otherwise anyone can add to the list. This could be a way to find new subreddits that are related to the content you are reading without having to sift through the comments hoping someone recommended the author to crosspost it there.