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"...incapable people should not get preferential treatment and held against a lower standard." That is a fallacy. Certain types of sex/race/genders get special

by comrh 12y ago

"...incapable people should not get preferential treatment and held against a lower standard." That is a fallacy. Certain types of sex/race/genders get special treatment now, often called "privilege", because of a history of systematic repression of other people. People are just trying to make the field actually level, not give preferential treatment to "incapable people".

vaishaksuresh 12y ago
So in the process of making it level, the playing field is being changed to be favorable to certain individuals? If something changes by giving away opportunities to less qualified people, because their predecessors had been systemically repressed, it is probably the ego/guilt of the perpetrators. Provide extra opportunities to the current generation to develop and improve , but don't take it away from qualified people in the name of diversity/inclusivity. If a man and a woman apply for a job in all male startup, hire the most qualified person, not the person who makes your workforce more diverse.
- comrh 12y ago
  THEY are being repressed, not only their predecessors. And to "hire the most qualified person" "denies the role of personal connections, wealth, background, gender, race, or education in an individual's success"[1]. It is overly simplistic to just say "hire the qualified person" when the person is qualified due to a huge amount of historical advantages. Do you really think there are so few women in tech because all the men are just more qualified? http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/02/06/272646267/how-the-meritocracy-myth-affects-women-in-technology http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/02/06/272646...
  - vaishaksuresh 12y ago
    The right thing then would be to enable such individuals with disadvantages to become qualified. We can go on and on about how it is a vicious circle and all that, but IMHO, the remedy is not providing opportunities to less qualified people, but take measures to educate and make them competent. Relavant initiative [1] [2] [1]. https://developers.google.com/women-techmakers/ https://developers.google.com/women-techmakers/ [2]. http://www.google.com/diversity/for-the-future.html#research-around-girls-and-computer-science http://www.google.com/diversity/for-the-future.html#research...
    - comrh 12y ago
      "the remedy is not providing opportunities to less qualified people" You keep saying this like it is a fact or that anyone is arguing for this. It is a complete fallacy.

by comrh 12y ago

vaishaksuresh 12y ago

So in the process of making it level, the playing field is being changed to be favorable to certain individuals? If something changes by giving away opportunities to less qualified people, because their predecessors had been systemically repressed, it is probably the ego/guilt of the perpetrators. Provide extra opportunities to the current generation to develop and improve , but don't take it away from qualified people in the name of diversity/inclusivity. If a man and a woman apply for a job in all male startup, hire the most qualified person, not the person who makes your workforce more diverse.

comrh 12y ago
THEY are being repressed, not only their predecessors. And to "hire the most qualified person" "denies the role of personal connections, wealth, background, gender, race, or education in an individual's success"[1]. It is overly simplistic to just say "hire the qualified person" when the person is qualified due to a huge amount of historical advantages. Do you really think there are so few women in tech because all the men are just more qualified? http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/02/06/272646267/how-the-meritocracy-myth-affects-women-in-technology http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/02/06/272646...
- vaishaksuresh 12y ago
  The right thing then would be to enable such individuals with disadvantages to become qualified. We can go on and on about how it is a vicious circle and all that, but IMHO, the remedy is not providing opportunities to less qualified people, but take measures to educate and make them competent. Relavant initiative [1] [2] [1]. https://developers.google.com/women-techmakers/ https://developers.google.com/women-techmakers/ [2]. http://www.google.com/diversity/for-the-future.html#research-around-girls-and-computer-science http://www.google.com/diversity/for-the-future.html#research...
  - comrh 12y ago
    "the remedy is not providing opportunities to less qualified people" You keep saying this like it is a fact or that anyone is arguing for this. It is a complete fallacy.