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He is so laser focused on the logistics that he likely wants to leave practicalities of the biology problem to someone else. The only way we're going to start

by kiba 12y ago

He is so laser focused on the logistics that he likely wants to leave practicalities of the biology problem to someone else. The only way we're going to start colonizing Mars is that someone focuses on making rocket cheaper. We can wait, but we had waited for several decades after the Apollo landing. Since then, in some way, technology had stagnated.

Shivetya 12y ago
It is not just the cost of rockets holding us back, if we are going to do it right and safely we will be years in sending robots there to make it ready for people. Being so far away the habitat needs to be guaranteed before launch of the colonist. It would take some serious advancements in robotics, construction, and understanding of Mars geology, to make it happen. We cannot ship all of if there, we can send the building blocks then use those to mine, process, and construct, what is needed. A viable colony must operated independently and not rely on Earth for its survival
- kiba 12y ago
  It is not just the cost of rockets holding us back, if we are going to do it right and safely we will be years in sending robots there to make it ready for people. With current limitation in AI and robotics, sending robots is not really good use of resources. They are inflexible and if something broke, it may be difficult to fix on the spot. Don't forget that teleoperation from Earth takes minutes, and by then, situation would have changed entirely. You're better off sending a shit ton of materials to Mars, with many redundancies so that a colonist can survive for years without going home, until the next resupply point. Teleoperation with the colonist nearby is a good idea though.
  - greeneggs 12y ago
    To get anything started you are already talking 30+ years in the future. Why would you plan based on current limitations in AI and robotics? Better is coming.
    - kiba 12y ago
      Why would you plan based on current limitations in AI and robotics? Better is coming. We assume too much about the future. Technological progress is not inevitable, as we had seen with the space programs. Besides, when the time come, it's not like the plan won't be revised.
- danielweber 12y ago
  You really aren't up with Mars proposals. Even NASA's DRM 3.0 (Design Reference Mission) for Mars from over 10 years ago had a habitat being on Mars, and a return vehicle fully fueled and ready to go, before the human crew launches. You can launch lots of things to Mars and have them sitting around waiting on the surface for the humans to show up.
celticninja 12y ago
and you know, we find an efficient way to create a breatheable atmosphere, even if it is a huge bubble dome. Getting there is not really the problem, we could get there now it would just take a while, but staying there requires significantly more than just a rocket.

by kiba 12y ago

Shivetya 12y ago

It is not just the cost of rockets holding us back, if we are going to do it right and safely we will be years in sending robots there to make it ready for people. Being so far away the habitat needs to be guaranteed before launch of the colonist. It would take some serious advancements in robotics, construction, and understanding of Mars geology, to make it happen. We cannot ship all of if there, we can send the building blocks then use those to mine, process, and construct, what is needed. A viable colony must operated independently and not rely on Earth for its survival

kiba 12y ago
It is not just the cost of rockets holding us back, if we are going to do it right and safely we will be years in sending robots there to make it ready for people. With current limitation in AI and robotics, sending robots is not really good use of resources. They are inflexible and if something broke, it may be difficult to fix on the spot. Don't forget that teleoperation from Earth takes minutes, and by then, situation would have changed entirely. You're better off sending a shit ton of materials to Mars, with many redundancies so that a colonist can survive for years without going home, until the next resupply point. Teleoperation with the colonist nearby is a good idea though.
- greeneggs 12y ago
  To get anything started you are already talking 30+ years in the future. Why would you plan based on current limitations in AI and robotics? Better is coming.
  - kiba 12y ago
    Why would you plan based on current limitations in AI and robotics? Better is coming. We assume too much about the future. Technological progress is not inevitable, as we had seen with the space programs. Besides, when the time come, it's not like the plan won't be revised.
danielweber 12y ago
You really aren't up with Mars proposals. Even NASA's DRM 3.0 (Design Reference Mission) for Mars from over 10 years ago had a habitat being on Mars, and a return vehicle fully fueled and ready to go, before the human crew launches. You can launch lots of things to Mars and have them sitting around waiting on the surface for the humans to show up.

celticninja 12y ago

and you know, we find an efficient way to create a breatheable atmosphere, even if it is a huge bubble dome. Getting there is not really the problem, we could get there now it would just take a while, but staying there requires significantly more than just a rocket.