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The first thing that comes to mind is that the clock has just started ticking for PayPal to become accepted all over the web in places that it may not have been

The first thing that comes to mind is that the clock has just started ticking for PayPal to become accepted all over the web in places that it may not have been as welcome. For example, I'm sure Amazon will add PayPal within 90 days of Paypal going public (if not sooner).

CJefferson 12y ago
Really? Given that Amazon have a competing product (Amazon Payments), I'd be surprised if they supported Paypal?
spatz 12y ago
So when are they adding Google Wallet?
michaelt 12y ago
Isn't Paypal just another middleman between the retailer and the banks? I mean, Paypal is all very well for a small site where customers don't trust you with their card details or you're not doing enough volume to get a decent merchant account - but neither of those applies to Amazon. Paypal will want a bigger cut than Amazon's existing credit card processors. So why would Amazon want to use Paypal?
- foldor 12y ago
  PayPal allows people who don't have a credit card to make purchases online. Many people in European countries don't have a credit card for example. Accepting PayPal is an easy alternative to supporting all of the different payment methods that you might need to meet certain regions expectations.
  - VLM 12y ago
    The existing marketplace solution for that is prepaid credit cards, essentially gift certs that can be redeemed by being run as a credit card. Teens use them to shop online, or at least my kids do. There is also limited liability with prepaid CCs, no matter what happens you can't be out more than the value of the CC, but you can get into considerable financial trouble with paypal WRT overdrafts and overdraft fees and bounced check fees ... its just not worth it unless you're well disciplined.
  - icebraining 12y ago
    Not sure how widespread it is, but here in Portugal banks offer a service that allows you to create virtual CCs tied to your bank account. You just set a limit (in €) and it returns all the CC info needed to make a payment.
    - SEJeff 12y ago
      Bank of America has the exact same thing. https://www.bankofamerica.com/privacy/accounts-cards/shopsafe.go https://www.bankofamerica.com/privacy/accounts-cards/shopsaf...
      - ericcope 12y ago
        do any other banks have this?
        dkarapetyan 12y ago
        Chase.
        SEJeff 12y ago
        Really? Where? I've been a chase customer since they bought BankOne in ~2006 and haven't seen this.
        dkarapetyan 12y ago
        Sign in to the online portal. If you have a credit card with them you can generate virtual ones tied to that same card.
  - Mvandenbergh 12y ago
    Amazon accepts debit cards and other payment methods in those countries though. For a company of Amazon's scale, supporting different payment methods across European borders is not the challenge that it would be for a small business.
- ghshephard 12y ago
  Anybody who doesn't have a credit card can't buy from Amazon (easily) right now, even if you have a paypal account. Given that EBay and Amazon are direct competitors in the retail space, it made good sense not to share purchasing/sales information with Paypal. Once Paypal and EBay are separate entities, Amazon now can reasonably enter into a merchant agreement with Paypal. I don't buy into the Amazon/Paypal being competitors - while in theory this is true, Amazon has far more to gain by accepting paypal customers, than it has to lose by not winning the online payment business.
  - ycombinatoracc 12y ago
    Uhm they can, one can buy amazon.com giftcards in any retailer in US and at any coinstar kiosk for cold cash. Hell one can even buy amazon giftcards using bitcoin via gyft.com and receive 3% bonus back! If anything its Paypal that is unable to reach as many people as Amazon, and continue to alienate more and more users every day by screwing around with them etc.
  - abritishguy 12y ago
    Put your money where your mouth is, I will bet £100 that this won't happen.
- phlakaton 12y ago
  How about, for the same reason credit card processors accept multiple credit card networks? PayPal is a pretty well-known payment brand now, and some people prefer to pay with it. It doesn't have to completely displace every other payment method Amazon offers to be worth a look.
nikant 12y ago
I dont think so that will happen any soon. PayPal and eBay have split to fight off competition and Amazon is quite a competitor for PayPal.
lnanek2 12y ago
Amazon has their own payments solution. I've actually seen it replacing PayPal several places, like buying WiFi on flights.
- skinnybatch 12y ago
  Let's hope that the competition between Amazon and PayPal results in some significant value for the consumer/user/business users. Years ago, when I first built my e-commerce site, the only viable payment method that could be easily integrated was PayPal. Unless I wanted to pay a significant premium to have a payment gateway before I was ready to take on those initial sunk costs, PayPal was the most attractive and likely solution. Hopefully, the industry will shift as more options become available and user-friendly. PayPal has the advantage of name recognition, but Amazon shares the same, and frankly, I personally regard Amazon more positively than PayPal. Hopefully, the industry continues its trend, now a quasi-oligopoly and eventually monopolistic competition. Like others have mentioned, I too wonder how they are going to divvy shares.
duaneb 12y ago
Amazon payments already replaces most of what PayPal provides. Why on earth would amazon add paypal?

CJefferson 12y ago

Really? Given that Amazon have a competing product (Amazon Payments), I'd be surprised if they supported Paypal?

spatz 12y ago

So when are they adding Google Wallet?

michaelt 12y ago

Isn't Paypal just another middleman between the retailer and the banks? I mean, Paypal is all very well for a small site where customers don't trust you with their card details or you're not doing enough volume to get a decent merchant account - but neither of those applies to Amazon. Paypal will want a bigger cut than Amazon's existing credit card processors. So why would Amazon want to use Paypal?

foldor 12y ago
PayPal allows people who don't have a credit card to make purchases online. Many people in European countries don't have a credit card for example. Accepting PayPal is an easy alternative to supporting all of the different payment methods that you might need to meet certain regions expectations.
- VLM 12y ago
  The existing marketplace solution for that is prepaid credit cards, essentially gift certs that can be redeemed by being run as a credit card. Teens use them to shop online, or at least my kids do. There is also limited liability with prepaid CCs, no matter what happens you can't be out more than the value of the CC, but you can get into considerable financial trouble with paypal WRT overdrafts and overdraft fees and bounced check fees ... its just not worth it unless you're well disciplined.
- icebraining 12y ago
  Not sure how widespread it is, but here in Portugal banks offer a service that allows you to create virtual CCs tied to your bank account. You just set a limit (in €) and it returns all the CC info needed to make a payment.
  - SEJeff 12y ago
    Bank of America has the exact same thing. https://www.bankofamerica.com/privacy/accounts-cards/shopsafe.go https://www.bankofamerica.com/privacy/accounts-cards/shopsaf...
    - ericcope 12y ago
      do any other banks have this?
      - dkarapetyan 12y ago
        Chase.
        SEJeff 12y ago
        Really? Where? I've been a chase customer since they bought BankOne in ~2006 and haven't seen this.
        dkarapetyan 12y ago
        Sign in to the online portal. If you have a credit card with them you can generate virtual ones tied to that same card.
- Mvandenbergh 12y ago
  Amazon accepts debit cards and other payment methods in those countries though. For a company of Amazon's scale, supporting different payment methods across European borders is not the challenge that it would be for a small business.
ghshephard 12y ago
Anybody who doesn't have a credit card can't buy from Amazon (easily) right now, even if you have a paypal account. Given that EBay and Amazon are direct competitors in the retail space, it made good sense not to share purchasing/sales information with Paypal. Once Paypal and EBay are separate entities, Amazon now can reasonably enter into a merchant agreement with Paypal. I don't buy into the Amazon/Paypal being competitors - while in theory this is true, Amazon has far more to gain by accepting paypal customers, than it has to lose by not winning the online payment business.
- ycombinatoracc 12y ago
  Uhm they can, one can buy amazon.com giftcards in any retailer in US and at any coinstar kiosk for cold cash. Hell one can even buy amazon giftcards using bitcoin via gyft.com and receive 3% bonus back! If anything its Paypal that is unable to reach as many people as Amazon, and continue to alienate more and more users every day by screwing around with them etc.
- abritishguy 12y ago
  Put your money where your mouth is, I will bet £100 that this won't happen.
phlakaton 12y ago
How about, for the same reason credit card processors accept multiple credit card networks? PayPal is a pretty well-known payment brand now, and some people prefer to pay with it. It doesn't have to completely displace every other payment method Amazon offers to be worth a look.

nikant 12y ago

I dont think so that will happen any soon. PayPal and eBay have split to fight off competition and Amazon is quite a competitor for PayPal.

lnanek2 12y ago

Amazon has their own payments solution. I've actually seen it replacing PayPal several places, like buying WiFi on flights.

skinnybatch 12y ago
Let's hope that the competition between Amazon and PayPal results in some significant value for the consumer/user/business users. Years ago, when I first built my e-commerce site, the only viable payment method that could be easily integrated was PayPal. Unless I wanted to pay a significant premium to have a payment gateway before I was ready to take on those initial sunk costs, PayPal was the most attractive and likely solution. Hopefully, the industry will shift as more options become available and user-friendly. PayPal has the advantage of name recognition, but Amazon shares the same, and frankly, I personally regard Amazon more positively than PayPal. Hopefully, the industry continues its trend, now a quasi-oligopoly and eventually monopolistic competition. Like others have mentioned, I too wonder how they are going to divvy shares.

duaneb 12y ago

Amazon payments already replaces most of what PayPal provides. Why on earth would amazon add paypal?