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> Assuming the value of a life can be assigned a simple scalar quantity seems like an unjustified assumption. It's not a scalar quantity but a fuzzy one. My po

by kaoD 12y ago

> Assuming the value of a life can be assigned a simple scalar quantity seems like an unjustified assumption. It's not a scalar quantity but a fuzzy one. My point is still valid. > "Value" and "worth" imply that you have some expectation that life has to meet in order to be satisfied with it, that it has to be doing something or accomplishing something. Definitely. Why would I live then? It should be doing something: be enjoyable. At the bare minimum. > Your life, all life, simply is. So...? I don't follow your point here. Just like it simply is, I can simply terminate it. > There's no greater purpose necessary. You're the one who brought a greater purpose here. I don't particularly care about my life's purpose. In fact, if it had a purpose, it could be wrong to terminate it.

imgabe 12y ago
> Why would I live then? That's my point. There is no why. You don't need a why. You do live.
- kaoD 12y ago
  Unless you don't want to. If your point is "you don't need a why", allow me to say it's a very weak point, because then you don't need a why to suicide either. You don't need a why to anything really. Also: because you say so?
  - imgabe 12y ago
    If your point is that suicide is a reasonable response to life not meeting your expectations, I find that equally weak. You're in charge of your expectations. You can change them, or let go of them altogether.
    - kaoD 12y ago
      So why don't you change your expectation of me not expecting anything out of life? You're in charge of your expectations, leave mine alone!
      - imgabe 12y ago
        I have no expectations. Yours seem to lead to a great deal of suffering for yourself, that's why I'm curious as to why you cling to them so fiercely. As you say, you need a good reason to continue doing something. You should stop, e.g. living, if you're not getting anything out of it. If having your expectations is not benefiting you, why not stop having them?
        kaoD 12y ago
        > Yours seem to lead to a great deal of suffering for yourself I'm not the one suffering over whether anyone else would expect anything out of life or not. I particularly enjoy life, so you are wrong even about that. Too. But I understand anyone not enjoying life wanting to end it. > If having your expectations is not benefiting you, why not stop having them? My body expects air. My body expecting air is not benefiting it underwater. Your conclusion is my body should stop expecting air underwater. Your logic baffles me.
        imgabe 12y ago
        Your body doesn't expect air. Expecting something is a function of consciousness. Your body doesn't expect air any more than an engine expects gasoline. So no, that's not my conclusion unless you grossly misuse the word "expect". You can't change your body's need for oxygen. You can change the way you think.
        kaoD 12y ago
        > You can change the way you think. Nope. Pain is pain. You can't change that.
        imgabe 12y ago
        So all pain is equivalent? Is that what you're saying? Any experience of pain is a rational excuse to kill yourself? I guess if you stub your toe, you may as well end it all, then.

by kaoD 12y ago

imgabe 12y ago

> Why would I live then? That's my point. There is no why. You don't need a why. You do live.

kaoD 12y ago
Unless you don't want to. If your point is "you don't need a why", allow me to say it's a very weak point, because then you don't need a why to suicide either. You don't need a why to anything really. Also: because you say so?
- imgabe 12y ago
  If your point is that suicide is a reasonable response to life not meeting your expectations, I find that equally weak. You're in charge of your expectations. You can change them, or let go of them altogether.
  - kaoD 12y ago
    So why don't you change your expectation of me not expecting anything out of life? You're in charge of your expectations, leave mine alone!
    - imgabe 12y ago
      I have no expectations. Yours seem to lead to a great deal of suffering for yourself, that's why I'm curious as to why you cling to them so fiercely. As you say, you need a good reason to continue doing something. You should stop, e.g. living, if you're not getting anything out of it. If having your expectations is not benefiting you, why not stop having them?
      - kaoD 12y ago
        > Yours seem to lead to a great deal of suffering for yourself I'm not the one suffering over whether anyone else would expect anything out of life or not. I particularly enjoy life, so you are wrong even about that. Too. But I understand anyone not enjoying life wanting to end it. > If having your expectations is not benefiting you, why not stop having them? My body expects air. My body expecting air is not benefiting it underwater. Your conclusion is my body should stop expecting air underwater. Your logic baffles me.
        imgabe 12y ago
        Your body doesn't expect air. Expecting something is a function of consciousness. Your body doesn't expect air any more than an engine expects gasoline. So no, that's not my conclusion unless you grossly misuse the word "expect". You can't change your body's need for oxygen. You can change the way you think.
        kaoD 12y ago
        > You can change the way you think. Nope. Pain is pain. You can't change that.
        imgabe 12y ago
        So all pain is equivalent? Is that what you're saying? Any experience of pain is a rational excuse to kill yourself? I guess if you stub your toe, you may as well end it all, then.