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Except you don't own most software you have on your machine locally. You agree to a license to use it.

by Bahamut 12y ago

whizzkid 12y ago
"I want to own my hardware and software power" I think this states what I am trying to say.
- wffurr 12y ago
  The parent is specifically addressing that point. You don't own most of the software you are purchasing. The vendor retains either the technical or legal ability to reach into your machine and disable the software via the licensing agreement.
  - whizzkid 12y ago
    I understand the point, which is really reasonable. But how about this way; In order to disable the software that I installed on my machine, they need to know who I am, which computer it is installed to, plus lots of other procedures to deal with. Which is time consuming and not easy. In order to disable cloud hosted software, - User.find(me).licence.valid = false
  - pjmlp 12y ago
    On most countries EULAS are void.
    - JoeAltmaier 12y ago
      Yeah how's that work? In the US any terms made after money is tendered are void. This was done to avoid someone adding terms to a contract on delivery. SO is it true for software too? What about electronic download?
      - pjmlp 12y ago
        In most European countries yes, as you can only read such licenses after buying the product. For the EULA to be enforcable, it needs to be made available at the store in such a way that the customer can read it before buying. Same thing for digital goods. If you can only read the license after buying the product, it is not valid.
  - MiddleEndian 12y ago
    License or not, source or not, if I have something installed on my computer, I can modify it or at least attempt to do so. I can also run it without a reliable network connection. Not so much for streaming services.
wvenable 12y ago
You own the license. Which give you the right to use the software. You don't need to own the software to use it; you need to have a license. The real problem is that you can't own a license anymore for a lot of software. You can only just rent one.
TeMPOraL 12y ago
It's a theoretical/legal thing. In practice, you own software by having executables on your drive. You don't have to ask anyone whether you're allowed to run it or not. If authors have the audacity to enforce some checks on you, you can go ahead and crack the app. It's still code saved and running on your local machine.

Except you don't own most software you have on your machine locally. You agree to a license to use it.

by Bahamut 12y ago

Except you don't own most software you have on your machine locally. You agree to a license to use it.

whizzkid 12y ago

"I want to own my hardware and software power" I think this states what I am trying to say.

wffurr 12y ago
The parent is specifically addressing that point. You don't own most of the software you are purchasing. The vendor retains either the technical or legal ability to reach into your machine and disable the software via the licensing agreement.
- whizzkid 12y ago
  I understand the point, which is really reasonable. But how about this way; In order to disable the software that I installed on my machine, they need to know who I am, which computer it is installed to, plus lots of other procedures to deal with. Which is time consuming and not easy. In order to disable cloud hosted software, - User.find(me).licence.valid = false
- pjmlp 12y ago
  On most countries EULAS are void.
  - JoeAltmaier 12y ago
    Yeah how's that work? In the US any terms made after money is tendered are void. This was done to avoid someone adding terms to a contract on delivery. SO is it true for software too? What about electronic download?
    - pjmlp 12y ago
      In most European countries yes, as you can only read such licenses after buying the product. For the EULA to be enforcable, it needs to be made available at the store in such a way that the customer can read it before buying. Same thing for digital goods. If you can only read the license after buying the product, it is not valid.
- MiddleEndian 12y ago
  License or not, source or not, if I have something installed on my computer, I can modify it or at least attempt to do so. I can also run it without a reliable network connection. Not so much for streaming services.

wvenable 12y ago

You own the license. Which give you the right to use the software. You don't need to own the software to use it; you need to have a license. The real problem is that you can't own a license anymore for a lot of software. You can only just rent one.

TeMPOraL 12y ago

It's a theoretical/legal thing. In practice, you own software by having executables on your drive. You don't have to ask anyone whether you're allowed to run it or not. If authors have the audacity to enforce some checks on you, you can go ahead and crack the app. It's still code saved and running on your local machine.