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"I think by far the most twisted notion in the article is the idea that little changed between 1913 and 1967. I'm pretty sure technological change during that p

by coriny 12y ago

"I think by far the most twisted notion in the article is the idea that little changed between 1913 and 1967. I'm pretty sure technological change during that period had more impact on the average Westerner's life than any other 54 year time span in history. It takes a very peculiar world view to completely ignore the invention of television or to consider a biplane as being basically equivalent to a jumbo jet." That's not what it says at all. He states that the 60s economy is still dominated by technologies that pre-date 1913. He even specifically cites the economically dominant technologies, instead of the vague assertion, "I'm pretty sure ...". He particularly notes aeroplanes and computers as being invented during that period and can be expected to have enormous economic impact. Which they did, but hadn't by that point. The same with television. Looking at the rest of your comment, I kind of think you should delete and reread the article. Every criticism is incorrect or unsupported - like the MIT crack. He's clearly talking about the "thin client" approach to providing computing - he was wrong, but it was not an unreasonable supposition to make.

gioele 12y ago
> He's clearly talking about the "thin client" approach to providing computing - he was wrong, Aren't Chromebooks, tablets and smartphones thin clients to Google's mainframe, Facebook's mainframe, Apple's mainframe? What processes the Siri commands? Who calculates the directions in your navigator?
- coriny 12y ago
  Yep, sure. The thin client approach has grown substantially recently, mostly I think due to improvements in networking. But the author was talking about "20 years time", so the early 80s. What we actually saw was the arrival of the domestic computer. That was the period in which computing became ubiquitous, and actual physical machines doing the processing locally could be found in every business and home. So, I would argue, that for the period he is talking about the fat client and stand alone models were much more dominant than the thin client, in contrast to his expectation. Or to use his reference point, nearly every university had its own computer in the 80s, rather than using a thin client to a host at MIT/Oxford/Harvard etc. And in general, despite the cloud, I think fat clients are still dominant. I.e. look at gaming, the majority of processing is still done locally, despite MMOs and the internet. EDIT: I think most people expected thin computing to dominate. But it turns out to be easier to manufacture and ship PCs around than data.
  - socialist_coder 12y ago
    I believe that back then, people thought thin clients would dominate because they didn't expect the price and size of a "real computer" to become so affordable and compact. So, it wasn't because they thought the thin client approach was better, it was just the only realistic future they could see given the cost and size of computers at the time.
    - coriny 12y ago
      And, in 1963 Moore's Law had yet to be recognised. If it had been, he might have realised that fat clients were going to dominate the future of computing. But at the time, it would have been near impossible to believe how relentless CPU progress was going to be.

by coriny 12y ago

gioele 12y ago

> He's clearly talking about the "thin client" approach to providing computing - he was wrong, Aren't Chromebooks, tablets and smartphones thin clients to Google's mainframe, Facebook's mainframe, Apple's mainframe? What processes the Siri commands? Who calculates the directions in your navigator?

coriny 12y ago
Yep, sure. The thin client approach has grown substantially recently, mostly I think due to improvements in networking. But the author was talking about "20 years time", so the early 80s. What we actually saw was the arrival of the domestic computer. That was the period in which computing became ubiquitous, and actual physical machines doing the processing locally could be found in every business and home. So, I would argue, that for the period he is talking about the fat client and stand alone models were much more dominant than the thin client, in contrast to his expectation. Or to use his reference point, nearly every university had its own computer in the 80s, rather than using a thin client to a host at MIT/Oxford/Harvard etc. And in general, despite the cloud, I think fat clients are still dominant. I.e. look at gaming, the majority of processing is still done locally, despite MMOs and the internet. EDIT: I think most people expected thin computing to dominate. But it turns out to be easier to manufacture and ship PCs around than data.
- socialist_coder 12y ago
  I believe that back then, people thought thin clients would dominate because they didn't expect the price and size of a "real computer" to become so affordable and compact. So, it wasn't because they thought the thin client approach was better, it was just the only realistic future they could see given the cost and size of computers at the time.
  - coriny 12y ago
    And, in 1963 Moore's Law had yet to be recognised. If it had been, he might have realised that fat clients were going to dominate the future of computing. But at the time, it would have been near impossible to believe how relentless CPU progress was going to be.