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To put it bluntly: The next Perl release should be 6.0. The existing perl6 projects can figure out their own branding, because it's clear they are no longer "s

by hapless 12y ago

To put it bluntly: The next Perl release should be 6.0. The existing perl6 projects can figure out their own branding, because it's clear they are no longer "successors" or replacements for Perl.

davorg 12y ago
Oh, I agree completely. But Larry Wall has ruled out that possibility.
- justinator 12y ago
  I'm surprised that this wasn't cited in this article as a problem. Larry is a brilliant guy, but (like everyone, really), he's not brilliant in everything and (like most people seen as absolute geniuses, so relatively few people), what he's not good at, he finds so frustrating as to condemn it, and cry foul at the very concept. This helps no one. I don't know how to teach someone humility. Anyways beating a dead horse.
  - jejones3141 12y ago
    Sort of like Volapük?
maxlybbert 12y ago
Are people still complaining about the version number? If only there were a simple way to get people talking about Perl again. Personally, I think the best approach would be to (1) recognize that every language has a CPAN equivakent so stop using it as a unique selling proposition (or, at least make it better than everyone else's), and (2) keep implementing cool things in Perl. Prove that Perl programs that do a lot of things (1) are maintainable, and (2) don't have to be as large as the equivalent in other languages. Arguing about the version number just isn't enough.
- collyw 12y ago
  Whats the JavaScript equivalent? Every time I need to delve in to JavScript it seems a mess. Or Java for that matter.
  - deleted 12y ago
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  - maxlybbert 12y ago
    Npm. It's meant for Node-js code, but you can use it to make sure modules are installed in your source directory for a website. Aside from npm, there are public CDNs available ( http://www.jsdelivr.com/ http://www.jsdelivr.com/ and https://cdnjs.com/ https://cdnjs.com/ ).
    - maxlybbert 12y ago
      For Java (btw), there isn't a central repository, but Maven lets you download the Internet ( http://blog.sonatype.com/2011/04/how-not-to-download-the-internet/#.VCmOhuKLNIc http://blog.sonatype.com/2011/04/how-not-to-download-the-int... ) which solves the same problem.
sciurus 12y ago
That's a horrible idea. The branding of Perl 6 has already been established. Trying to hijack it won't be beneficial to either project. The next release in the perl5 series could be Perl 7, similar to what PHP [0] has done to avoid confusing their next major release with a previous, failed effort to create a new major version. That still forces perl6 to rebrand but won't induce massive confusion. [0] https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php6 https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php6

by hapless 12y ago

To put it bluntly: The next Perl release should be 6.0. The existing perl6 projects can figure out their own branding, because it's clear they are no longer "successors" or replacements for Perl.

davorg 12y ago

Oh, I agree completely. But Larry Wall has ruled out that possibility.

justinator 12y ago
I'm surprised that this wasn't cited in this article as a problem. Larry is a brilliant guy, but (like everyone, really), he's not brilliant in everything and (like most people seen as absolute geniuses, so relatively few people), what he's not good at, he finds so frustrating as to condemn it, and cry foul at the very concept. This helps no one. I don't know how to teach someone humility. Anyways beating a dead horse.
- jejones3141 12y ago
  Sort of like Volapük?

maxlybbert 12y ago

Are people still complaining about the version number? If only there were a simple way to get people talking about Perl again. Personally, I think the best approach would be to (1) recognize that every language has a CPAN equivakent so stop using it as a unique selling proposition (or, at least make it better than everyone else's), and (2) keep implementing cool things in Perl. Prove that Perl programs that do a lot of things (1) are maintainable, and (2) don't have to be as large as the equivalent in other languages. Arguing about the version number just isn't enough.

collyw 12y ago
Whats the JavaScript equivalent? Every time I need to delve in to JavScript it seems a mess. Or Java for that matter.
- deleted 12y ago
  [deleted]
- maxlybbert 12y ago
  Npm. It's meant for Node-js code, but you can use it to make sure modules are installed in your source directory for a website. Aside from npm, there are public CDNs available ( http://www.jsdelivr.com/ http://www.jsdelivr.com/ and https://cdnjs.com/ https://cdnjs.com/ ).
  - maxlybbert 12y ago
    For Java (btw), there isn't a central repository, but Maven lets you download the Internet ( http://blog.sonatype.com/2011/04/how-not-to-download-the-internet/#.VCmOhuKLNIc http://blog.sonatype.com/2011/04/how-not-to-download-the-int... ) which solves the same problem.

sciurus 12y ago

That's a horrible idea. The branding of Perl 6 has already been established. Trying to hijack it won't be beneficial to either project. The next release in the perl5 series could be Perl 7, similar to what PHP [0] has done to avoid confusing their next major release with a previous, failed effort to create a new major version. That still forces perl6 to rebrand but won't induce massive confusion. [0] https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php6 https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php6