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The Beale ciphers

33 points by SuperChihuahua 12y ago

tobinfricke 12y ago
Here's a blog entry describing some small investigations into the Beale ciphers, which revealed a few surprises (for me at least): http://nibot-lab.livejournal.com/72614.html http://nibot-lab.livejournal.com/72614.html
tobinfricke 12y ago
Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ciphertexts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ciphertexts
arh68 12y ago
Had to double take at reading Robert Morriss (surely no relation..surely) > Beale entrusted a box containing the encrypted messages to a local innkeeper named Robert Morriss If it's just an unknown one time pad we're looking for, this is pretty damning: > If the Declaration of Independence is used as a key for the first cipher, it yields alphabetical sequences such as abfdefghiijklmmnohpp and others
- mdda 12y ago
  OTOH, there's nothing to stop a separate cipher key for the first text, and the author making sure that the key words chosen (there's always a choice, since only the first letters are used) map (roughly) to an interesting sequence in the Declaration of Independence - as a gotcha.
rootbear 12y ago
I learned about the Beale ciphers in the 80s and wrote a simple program to try deciphering ciphers one and three using a given key text. I think it's probably a hoax, but the codes are fun to play around with.
exabrial 12y ago
I remember reading about these in a book when I was a kid... _Alvin's Secret Code_ was the book I think? Always fascinated me!
cbd1984 12y ago
Skeptoid has an interesting article which lays out a convincing case that they're fakes: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4301 http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4301
ralphc 12y ago
I grew up in Roanoke county, neighboring Bedford. We had books that mentioned this treasure, and I've always harbored a dream of deciphering the text then casually buying the property where the treasure is. If it's not a hoax maybe I can spin up some AWS instances and get cracking :)
- LyndsySimon 12y ago
  The treasure is supposed to be buried in iron pots. A 2-box metal detector should be able to find those to a depth of several feet. I happen to have several maps of that area from the 1820s through the 1920s. If you ever get serious about it, give me a call :)

Here's a blog entry describing some small investigations into the Beale ciphers, which revealed a few surprises (for me at least): http://nibot-lab.livejournal.com/72614.html http://nibot-lab.livejournal.com/72614.html

tobinfricke 12y ago

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ciphertexts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ciphertexts

arh68 12y ago

Had to double take at reading Robert Morriss (surely no relation..surely) > Beale entrusted a box containing the encrypted messages to a local innkeeper named Robert Morriss If it's just an unknown one time pad we're looking for, this is pretty damning: > If the Declaration of Independence is used as a key for the first cipher, it yields alphabetical sequences such as abfdefghiijklmmnohpp and others

mdda 12y ago
OTOH, there's nothing to stop a separate cipher key for the first text, and the author making sure that the key words chosen (there's always a choice, since only the first letters are used) map (roughly) to an interesting sequence in the Declaration of Independence - as a gotcha.

rootbear 12y ago

I learned about the Beale ciphers in the 80s and wrote a simple program to try deciphering ciphers one and three using a given key text. I think it's probably a hoax, but the codes are fun to play around with.

exabrial 12y ago

I remember reading about these in a book when I was a kid... _Alvin's Secret Code_ was the book I think? Always fascinated me!

cbd1984 12y ago

Skeptoid has an interesting article which lays out a convincing case that they're fakes: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4301 http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4301

ralphc 12y ago

I grew up in Roanoke county, neighboring Bedford. We had books that mentioned this treasure, and I've always harbored a dream of deciphering the text then casually buying the property where the treasure is. If it's not a hoax maybe I can spin up some AWS instances and get cracking :)

LyndsySimon 12y ago
The treasure is supposed to be buried in iron pots. A 2-box metal detector should be able to find those to a depth of several feet. I happen to have several maps of that area from the 1820s through the 1920s. If you ever get serious about it, give me a call :)