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Am I the only one who's disappointed by Google's UI library chops? How can they think it is sensible to release a UI design without having concrete, usable impl

by drcode 12y ago

Am I the only one who's disappointed by Google's UI library chops? How can they think it is sensible to release a UI design without having concrete, usable implementations in all the major UI frontends, including bootstrap, out of the box? The fact that someone outside of Google had to build this makes it look like Google's design guys have no credibility inside of Google, and are ignored by other Google devs.

givehimagun 12y ago
You're not the only one thinking that. The ionic team is helping build angular specific material components. Google should have cleaned up its own stuff here.
- Bahamut 12y ago
  https://material.angularjs.org/ https://material.angularjs.org/
ryanwatkins 12y ago
They've released preview documentation of a design centered around an unreleased OS and you are upset they don't have Google implementations in all the other non-google UI frameworks already? Its early days, they're clearly doing this first with Android L, Web Components (polymer-project.org) and Angular (material.angularjs.org). And you're upset the implementation for Bootstrap is not done by Google? Boo hoo.
- drcode 12y ago
  Google can do whatever they like, it just doesn't seem like they're using their available resources to accomplish a serious goal they seem to have (helping materials design become an impactful design language) and it will be interesting to see how the future of this design effort plays out.
spankalee 12y ago
Google released a concrete, usable set of custom elements that implement Material Design and should be usable in any framework. See the Paper Elements demo here: https://www.polymer-project.org/components/paper-elements/demo.html#paper-checkbox https://www.polymer-project.org/components/paper-elements/de... Android L is also shipping with Material Design widgets: https://developer.android.com/preview/material/index.html https://developer.android.com/preview/material/index.html Google doesn't really use or promote Bootstrap (much... we're* so big I'm sure it's used somewhere), and Bootstrap is designed for a pre-web components, pre-flexbox world, so it shouldn't be too surprising that we didn't release a theme for it. * I work for Google
- RubyPinch 12y ago
  polymer is done by google? --- aside: I now strongly believe that, by HTML10, no elements will be defined and everything is going to be JS, and then there is going to be a massive HTML5/6 movement, "Hey guys, did you know that its possible to get /native forms/ though the web browser? and it doesn't even require javascript, manages to support in-built validation, you can even have 3d animations, all built-in to the html5 framework!"
  - Bahamut 12y ago
    Except that native forms are clunky and the validation is very basic. Javascript can save you some unnecessary requests to the server with quick & easy initial validation checks & allow you more control over the behavior of the page after form data submission (via xhr). Javascript is also currently faster for animating, and can do a wider variety of animation.
    - RubyPinch 12y ago
      I do not doubt the usefulness of JS, but... so many blogs I've seen that require JS, when all they serve is text content...
- drcode 12y ago
  It seems like it would be painful to use from react, which seems like a "major framework". I'm not saying Google has any obligations to offer more code to support materials design... I'm just saying the impact of their design work is going to be limited because of it. (That certainly might be on purpose,I suppose)

by drcode 12y ago

givehimagun 12y ago

You're not the only one thinking that. The ionic team is helping build angular specific material components. Google should have cleaned up its own stuff here.

Bahamut 12y ago
https://material.angularjs.org/ https://material.angularjs.org/

ryanwatkins 12y ago

They've released preview documentation of a design centered around an unreleased OS and you are upset they don't have Google implementations in all the other non-google UI frameworks already? Its early days, they're clearly doing this first with Android L, Web Components (polymer-project.org) and Angular (material.angularjs.org). And you're upset the implementation for Bootstrap is not done by Google? Boo hoo.

drcode 12y ago
Google can do whatever they like, it just doesn't seem like they're using their available resources to accomplish a serious goal they seem to have (helping materials design become an impactful design language) and it will be interesting to see how the future of this design effort plays out.

spankalee 12y ago

Google released a concrete, usable set of custom elements that implement Material Design and should be usable in any framework. See the Paper Elements demo here: https://www.polymer-project.org/components/paper-elements/demo.html#paper-checkbox https://www.polymer-project.org/components/paper-elements/de... Android L is also shipping with Material Design widgets: https://developer.android.com/preview/material/index.html https://developer.android.com/preview/material/index.html Google doesn't really use or promote Bootstrap (much... we're* so big I'm sure it's used somewhere), and Bootstrap is designed for a pre-web components, pre-flexbox world, so it shouldn't be too surprising that we didn't release a theme for it. * I work for Google

RubyPinch 12y ago
polymer is done by google? --- aside: I now strongly believe that, by HTML10, no elements will be defined and everything is going to be JS, and then there is going to be a massive HTML5/6 movement, "Hey guys, did you know that its possible to get /native forms/ though the web browser? and it doesn't even require javascript, manages to support in-built validation, you can even have 3d animations, all built-in to the html5 framework!"
- Bahamut 12y ago
  Except that native forms are clunky and the validation is very basic. Javascript can save you some unnecessary requests to the server with quick & easy initial validation checks & allow you more control over the behavior of the page after form data submission (via xhr). Javascript is also currently faster for animating, and can do a wider variety of animation.
  - RubyPinch 12y ago
    I do not doubt the usefulness of JS, but... so many blogs I've seen that require JS, when all they serve is text content...
drcode 12y ago
It seems like it would be painful to use from react, which seems like a "major framework". I'm not saying Google has any obligations to offer more code to support materials design... I'm just saying the impact of their design work is going to be limited because of it. (That certainly might be on purpose,I suppose)