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Don't post pictures and videos of your children on the Internet. Simple.

r00fus 12y ago
Exactly - even if you have Facebook "share" settings, they can get reset (at random by Facebook). The best way to win is simply not to play. I share on the internet with family but that's through password protected Smugmug event pages, and PhotoStream shared with private family members. Yes, this is a calculated risk, but I trust the above to take my privacy more seriously. I still don't share anything but selected photos. Youtube, Facebook, even Google+/Picasa just seem too built to "share publicly".
- phillc73 12y ago
  I run an Owncloud instance on my own server for sharing photos and video with remote family members. Even then, I end up loading a USB stick every six months and posting it (parents in rural Australia and sluggish Internet). You're right, it's a calculated risk, but posting photos of small children to Facebook, YouTube or any of the big public sites just strikes me as a bit thoughtless.
- raverbashing 12y ago
  "even if you have Facebook "share" settings, they can get reset (at random by Facebook)" Never saw this happen, and you can check/recheck it, or change it after.
  - sp332 12y ago
    Recently Facebook changed the default sharing settings to make them less public. http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/05/22/facebook-changes-its-privacy-settings-again-this-time-to-scale-back-sharing/ http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/05/22/facebook-changes-its-p...
  - r00fus 12y ago
    There's this [1] - and how would you know to change it. Then there's other cases where their API had bugs that made your private information publicly available for 3rd parties [2]. The reality is that once you upload your private data to Facebook, you are at Facebook's mercy in terms of keeping that data private. They have made a lot of improvements, but essentially you have to trust them to protect you. [1] http://www.wired.com/2009/12/facebook-privacy-update/ http://www.wired.com/2009/12/facebook-privacy-update/ [2] http://www.theverge.com/2011/05/10/facebook-apps-leak-personal-data-privacy http://www.theverge.com/2011/05/10/facebook-apps-leak-person...
anigbrowl 12y ago
That's good advice as far as maintaining privacy and safety of children are concerned. but it's completely unresponsive to the question of why it's so easy to just copy and slap a new title on someone else's content in pursuit of easy cash, which could just as easily happened with an amusing cat video or whatever. Are you saying that one you put something up in on a public site like youTube or Facebook, it's OK for other people to rip it off?
- legohead 12y ago
  I don't think our society has answered that yet. It's a relatively new phenomenon in our society and culture. Sharing/Pirating music and videos is so rampant, and it doesn't really "feel" wrong to those who do it, as if anything in digital media should be free to all. And when the government tries to address this, the public pushes back (SOPA, etc). So, is it OK? Maybe...
- sp332 12y ago
  Not that it's OK, but that there's not much you can do about it. And with non-existent consequences, people will do it. Edit: it's easy to commit lots of crimes, but it's more difficult to get away with almost anything compared to copyright infringement or violation of privacy rights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_release https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_release
  - anigbrowl 12y ago
    But Youttube could do a lot about it. Even after you strip away the metadata, the video is the same - sampling random frames to produce a 'signature' for each video or embedding an identifying but invisible 'watermark' as part of the upload process presents no technical barrier for them. When someone copies an existing video on YT, links to that could just automatically redirect to the original material (along with the click revenue, if ads were enabled).
    - sp332 12y ago
      ContentID already does this, you just have to sign up for it and register your videos. That's not to say it's trivial at Youtube's scale. ContentID was scanning 100 years of video every day back in 2012 http://www.jeffbullas.com/2012/05/23/35-mind-numbing-youtube-facts-figures-and-statistics-infographic/ http://www.jeffbullas.com/2012/05/23/35-mind-numbing-youtube... It's probably a lot higher now. One hour of video was uploaded per second (more now) and that has to be checked against hundreds of millions of videos in the ContentID database. ContentID doesn't redirect videos, but it gives you the option of taking ad revenue from them or deleting them.
IgorPartola 12y ago
I share pictures and videos of my kids on Facebook so that my technology-averse mother can see her grandkids. It has been very difficult to get her to use any social media at all. A password protected site, where there is no push to her tablet is a non-starter. For better or worse, Facebook is the lowest common denominator now, and as much as I dislike using it, it's become the standard. I currently see no better alternatives that my fairly large extended family and circle of friends can adopt easily. So yeah, if you want to keep your pictures private, keep them private. If you want your family/friends to see them there are very few alternatives. Edit: Apple's PhotoStream oddly enough is a close second contender. It's mobile-centric which is great, supports albums, allows multiple people to share pictures, and pushes notifications. The downside is obvious: Apple-only hardware. At least some people who normally would want these pictures/videos cannot get them this way. There is a web link you can set up, but then there is no push to phone, which sucks.
- stock_toaster 12y ago
  > If you want your family/friends to see them there are very few alternatives. Email? Not even joking.
  - owtM 12y ago
    E-mail, text message, Skype, and even snail mail are all viable alternatives.
    - deathhand 12y ago
      E-mail- Not really. You get a luddite on email and then they fall for a phishing scam or get the computer so infected with mal-ware that it becomes unusable Text message- Can't share video easily Skype- Can't share the moment earlier in the day when the little one said that innocent cute thing Snail mail- The best thing you could do is set up an 'if-this-then-that' procedure where it prints any picture taken from your mobile but again no video. As much as I hate to see computers pushed into the 'appliance' market it does make sense for some.

Exactly - even if you have Facebook "share" settings, they can get reset (at random by Facebook). The best way to win is simply not to play. I share on the internet with family but that's through password protected Smugmug event pages, and PhotoStream shared with private family members. Yes, this is a calculated risk, but I trust the above to take my privacy more seriously. I still don't share anything but selected photos. Youtube, Facebook, even Google+/Picasa just seem too built to "share publicly".

phillc73 12y ago
I run an Owncloud instance on my own server for sharing photos and video with remote family members. Even then, I end up loading a USB stick every six months and posting it (parents in rural Australia and sluggish Internet). You're right, it's a calculated risk, but posting photos of small children to Facebook, YouTube or any of the big public sites just strikes me as a bit thoughtless.
raverbashing 12y ago
"even if you have Facebook "share" settings, they can get reset (at random by Facebook)" Never saw this happen, and you can check/recheck it, or change it after.
- sp332 12y ago
  Recently Facebook changed the default sharing settings to make them less public. http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/05/22/facebook-changes-its-privacy-settings-again-this-time-to-scale-back-sharing/ http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/05/22/facebook-changes-its-p...
- r00fus 12y ago
  There's this [1] - and how would you know to change it. Then there's other cases where their API had bugs that made your private information publicly available for 3rd parties [2]. The reality is that once you upload your private data to Facebook, you are at Facebook's mercy in terms of keeping that data private. They have made a lot of improvements, but essentially you have to trust them to protect you. [1] http://www.wired.com/2009/12/facebook-privacy-update/ http://www.wired.com/2009/12/facebook-privacy-update/ [2] http://www.theverge.com/2011/05/10/facebook-apps-leak-personal-data-privacy http://www.theverge.com/2011/05/10/facebook-apps-leak-person...

anigbrowl 12y ago

That's good advice as far as maintaining privacy and safety of children are concerned. but it's completely unresponsive to the question of why it's so easy to just copy and slap a new title on someone else's content in pursuit of easy cash, which could just as easily happened with an amusing cat video or whatever. Are you saying that one you put something up in on a public site like youTube or Facebook, it's OK for other people to rip it off?

legohead 12y ago
I don't think our society has answered that yet. It's a relatively new phenomenon in our society and culture. Sharing/Pirating music and videos is so rampant, and it doesn't really "feel" wrong to those who do it, as if anything in digital media should be free to all. And when the government tries to address this, the public pushes back (SOPA, etc). So, is it OK? Maybe...
sp332 12y ago
Not that it's OK, but that there's not much you can do about it. And with non-existent consequences, people will do it. Edit: it's easy to commit lots of crimes, but it's more difficult to get away with almost anything compared to copyright infringement or violation of privacy rights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_release https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_release
- anigbrowl 12y ago
  But Youttube could do a lot about it. Even after you strip away the metadata, the video is the same - sampling random frames to produce a 'signature' for each video or embedding an identifying but invisible 'watermark' as part of the upload process presents no technical barrier for them. When someone copies an existing video on YT, links to that could just automatically redirect to the original material (along with the click revenue, if ads were enabled).
  - sp332 12y ago
    ContentID already does this, you just have to sign up for it and register your videos. That's not to say it's trivial at Youtube's scale. ContentID was scanning 100 years of video every day back in 2012 http://www.jeffbullas.com/2012/05/23/35-mind-numbing-youtube-facts-figures-and-statistics-infographic/ http://www.jeffbullas.com/2012/05/23/35-mind-numbing-youtube... It's probably a lot higher now. One hour of video was uploaded per second (more now) and that has to be checked against hundreds of millions of videos in the ContentID database. ContentID doesn't redirect videos, but it gives you the option of taking ad revenue from them or deleting them.

IgorPartola 12y ago

I share pictures and videos of my kids on Facebook so that my technology-averse mother can see her grandkids. It has been very difficult to get her to use any social media at all. A password protected site, where there is no push to her tablet is a non-starter. For better or worse, Facebook is the lowest common denominator now, and as much as I dislike using it, it's become the standard. I currently see no better alternatives that my fairly large extended family and circle of friends can adopt easily. So yeah, if you want to keep your pictures private, keep them private. If you want your family/friends to see them there are very few alternatives. Edit: Apple's PhotoStream oddly enough is a close second contender. It's mobile-centric which is great, supports albums, allows multiple people to share pictures, and pushes notifications. The downside is obvious: Apple-only hardware. At least some people who normally would want these pictures/videos cannot get them this way. There is a web link you can set up, but then there is no push to phone, which sucks.

stock_toaster 12y ago
> If you want your family/friends to see them there are very few alternatives. Email? Not even joking.
- owtM 12y ago
  E-mail, text message, Skype, and even snail mail are all viable alternatives.
  - deathhand 12y ago
    E-mail- Not really. You get a luddite on email and then they fall for a phishing scam or get the computer so infected with mal-ware that it becomes unusable Text message- Can't share video easily Skype- Can't share the moment earlier in the day when the little one said that innocent cute thing Snail mail- The best thing you could do is set up an 'if-this-then-that' procedure where it prints any picture taken from your mobile but again no video. As much as I hate to see computers pushed into the 'appliance' market it does make sense for some.