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Docker + {aws, digital ocean, rackspace} is substantially cheaper than heroku. Docker makes these services relatively comparable to Heroku in complexity, so th
by klochner 12y ago
Docker + {aws, digital ocean, rackspace} is substantially cheaper than heroku.
Docker makes these services relatively comparable to Heroku in complexity, so the heroku value prop has been diluted.
- jasonmccay 12y agoThis may be true, but it also makes the common assumption that your time (or the time of your team) is somehow worth $0 dollars. But, I imagine that you would be the first to say that your time is worth much more than $0 dollars. Put another way, hardware stores sell paint and paint supplies all day. Buying those and painting a room yourself is certainly cheaper, but it assumes you have the extra time to paint and don't mind you being the laborer. Hiring a painter costs more, but saves you a ton of time, energy, and elevates the level of expertise you are bringing to the job. Getting started is one thing. The ease of how you maintain and grow is another.
- ukd1 12y agoThis. No one ever factors in Ops time when I hear them complaining about Heroku.
- jon-wood 12y agoI certainly do, and I can tell you the amount of time I've spent managing servers over the past year has cost us less than running our entire production stack on Heroku would have done. So has the odd bit of downtime we've encountered because I've not got the same level of experience as Heroku's ops team.
- nirvdrum 12y agoI'm not sure ops time is even the one to worry about. Most things I've learned I've learned the hard way. So a server going berserk isn't fun, but it's not like I just wasted either time or money on it. I learned something. I better understand my execution environment. Downtime, on the other hand, is just lost revenue opportunity.
- klochner 12y agoNo, my assumption was that previously we had: (Heroku Cost) <=> (EC2 Cost) + (EC2 DevOps Cost) Now we have: (Heroku Cost) <=> (EC2 Cost) + (EC2 Devops using Docker) Where (EC2 Devops using Docker) < (EC2 Devops) So the value proposition has shifted. It's not a "Heroku Killer", but it does dilute their value prop, as my prior post mentioned.
- AYBABTME 12y agoI don't know, Docker + CoreOS is pretty dead simple.
- korzun 12y agoWelcome to the latency hell.
- crystaln 12y agoIf your heroku costs significantly cut into your profit margins, you should certainly start paying attention to those. For most well designed services, that is simply not the case. If my revenue from $1000 of heroku bills is $20,000, cutting $500/mo off of my server costs in exchange for any amount of hours or risk is simply not worthwhile.