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Well, zsh isn't much better than Bash. Fish beats both, but the web-based stuff annoys me. Given Windows has the super-powerful and elegant PowerShell, I think

by kolev 12y ago

Well, zsh isn't much better than Bash. Fish beats both, but the web-based stuff annoys me. Given Windows has the super-powerful and elegant PowerShell, I think a new shell language is definitely needed.

noinsight 12y ago
Not just a shell language, I want a better/modern shell. Fish is pretty good but not quite and I don't need "newbie friendly".
- kolev 12y ago
  Exactly! The newbie web configuration is such a turn off, but the language is definitely better - events and all.
  - Symmetry 12y ago
    You can always just edit config.fish in vim if you want to, that's what I do.
    - kolev 12y ago
      It's hard to explain, but just the fact that it has some huge useless feature bothers me.
      - jamesgeck0 12y ago
        Is it really that huge? The config pages are pretty simple, and it looks like it's just served using Python's built-in SimpleHTTPServer library.
        kolev 12y ago
        It's some kind of a heuristic rule: Don't use a product by a guy with a vastly different mindset than your own.
xiaq 12y ago
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- kolev 12y ago
  Thanks for reminding me about your project, which I saw earlier here! I was about to try it out and then forgot.
berdario 12y ago
There was a powershell-like shell project for linux. Instead of a unified runtime it used d-bus to automatically pipe objects from a process to another. Due to the d-bus dependency and other details, I remember it being a Gnome/RH-related project but I cannot remember the name. (I'm not persuaded that d-bus is the best choice here, but still, it was an interesting project) Anyone remembers it?
- mercurial 12y ago
  Wasn't that hotwire? [1] 1: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/hotwire https://pypi.python.org/pypi/hotwire
  - berdario 12y ago
    Thanks, but no. Another detail I remember: its website or the blog of its author was surely online in 2011/2012 and it has a slightly brownish/reddish theme
Touche 12y ago
PowerShell scripting is pretty terrible though. And it's concept is limited to only 1 runtime.
chris-at 12y ago
> super-powerful and elegant PowerShell I'd agree, unfortunately it's pronounced PowersHell. (by those who have to use it)
- kolev 12y ago
  Can you be more specific? I think the language features and the ability to pass structured data vs text, the OOP features are what all shells should be doing in the new millennium.

by kolev 12y ago

noinsight 12y ago

Not just a shell language, I want a better/modern shell. Fish is pretty good but not quite and I don't need "newbie friendly".

kolev 12y ago
Exactly! The newbie web configuration is such a turn off, but the language is definitely better - events and all.
- Symmetry 12y ago
  You can always just edit config.fish in vim if you want to, that's what I do.
  - kolev 12y ago
    It's hard to explain, but just the fact that it has some huge useless feature bothers me.
    - jamesgeck0 12y ago
      Is it really that huge? The config pages are pretty simple, and it looks like it's just served using Python's built-in SimpleHTTPServer library.
      - kolev 12y ago
        It's some kind of a heuristic rule: Don't use a product by a guy with a vastly different mindset than your own.

xiaq 12y ago

Time for advertisements! I've been doing this for some time: https://github.com/xiaq/elvish https://github.com/xiaq/elvish (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8090534 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8090534)

kolev 12y ago
Thanks for reminding me about your project, which I saw earlier here! I was about to try it out and then forgot.

berdario 12y ago

There was a powershell-like shell project for linux. Instead of a unified runtime it used d-bus to automatically pipe objects from a process to another. Due to the d-bus dependency and other details, I remember it being a Gnome/RH-related project but I cannot remember the name. (I'm not persuaded that d-bus is the best choice here, but still, it was an interesting project) Anyone remembers it?

mercurial 12y ago
Wasn't that hotwire? [1] 1: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/hotwire https://pypi.python.org/pypi/hotwire
- berdario 12y ago
  Thanks, but no. Another detail I remember: its website or the blog of its author was surely online in 2011/2012 and it has a slightly brownish/reddish theme

Touche 12y ago

PowerShell scripting is pretty terrible though. And it's concept is limited to only 1 runtime.

chris-at 12y ago

> super-powerful and elegant PowerShell I'd agree, unfortunately it's pronounced PowersHell. (by those who have to use it)

kolev 12y ago
Can you be more specific? I think the language features and the ability to pass structured data vs text, the OOP features are what all shells should be doing in the new millennium.