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True, but I would assume that most people have a reasonable expectation that their phones will not get damaged in typical usage scenarios. And yes, I do think t

by dalai 12y ago

True, but I would assume that most people have a reasonable expectation that their phones will not get damaged in typical usage scenarios. And yes, I do think that putting your phone in your front pocket is typical. In my view that means that there is a design flaw.

georgespencer 12y ago
> I do think that putting your phone in your front pocket is typical Correct. And for, hm, probably 99.98% of the 10m iPhone 6 users created over the weekend, that isn't an issue. You're drawing a misleading comparison between putting your iPhone in your pocket and it becoming bent out of shape. What happens when you put your phone in your pocket is crucial: exerting sufficient pressure to bend (as opposed to flex) the phone. This is a problem with any object of similar proportions and rigidity when sufficient pressure is applied. Tl;dr: if you sit on something, it might break.
- YokoZar 12y ago
  As an aside, if after one weekend 0.02% of people's iphones have bent, then within one year we would expect a good million bent iphones out there.
  - defective 12y ago
    Not if it's a matter of a persons typical usage patterns exceeding some sort of structural limit. If 0.02% of people typically put too much pressure on the phone in their pocket, and 99.98% of people do not, then the 0.02% will have any iPhone 6 rapidly fail, and the 99.98% will see failures only after an unusual incident or after receiving a weaker than normal phone, and thus at a much slower rate.
- danford 12y ago
  >This is a problem with any object of similar proportions and rigidity when sufficient pressure is applied. Well they need to change their design then. It's a design flaw.
  - georgespencer 12y ago
    > Well they need to change their design then. It's a design flaw. Uh, what? You really think that because of an edge case outside of intended use (again: not just putting the phone in the pocket, we're actually applying significant pressure to it in order to accomplish this) Apple should design a thicker phone? There are 5.1 million car crashes in the US per year which result in damage, dents, and bends to cars. Maybe we should redesign all of them too? You're suggesting that because the material is not impervious to pressure they should augment the physical characteristics of the product to allow for an extraordinarily remote eventuality which is exhibited in a tiny number of devices which are used entirely outside of the normal conditions (i.e. they're under ENOUGH FUCKING PRESSURE TO BEND THEM.) Get a grip.
- IkmoIkmo 12y ago
  If you compare the 6 plus to the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and even the 6, it doesn't seem as if any of those phones have a problem. In or outside the pocket. Of course with enough pressure anything will bend or break, but consumers expect that with 'reasonable use' they can expect their device not to malform. And surprise, reasonable use for most people (particularly men) includes putting their phone in their pocket at least some of the time instead of in their bag/purse ALL of the time. That's a design flaw. Either change your material (not majority aluminium), or really change your communication (push it as a tablet or a phone for in your bag) and warn of the risks. Don't just push it like an ordinary larger phone and stay silent when people say it bends in their pocket days after release, and when people bend it with their fingers on camera. I don't see how people can deny this is an issue. Obviously it's not a problem of people using their phone in an insane manner, as we simply didn't see similar bending problems with every iphone release before.
  - georgespencer 12y ago
    > If you compare the 6 plus to the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and even the 6, it doesn't seem as if any of those phones have a problem. In or outside the pocket. Incorrect. I saw reports of this with the 5S last year. Cult of Mac did a good round-up: http://www.cultofmac.com/297404/get-bent-shocking-history-bent-smartphones/ http://www.cultofmac.com/297404/get-bent-shocking-history-be... > Of course with enough pressure anything will bend or break, but consumers expect that with 'reasonable use' they can expect their device not to malform. I'd say that if you're applying enough pressure to bend a slab of aluminium and glass, you're A) someone who should have to have a licence in order to safely operate it without injuring yourself and B) definitely using it outside of its intended usage. > And surprise, reasonable use for most people (particularly men) includes putting their phone in their pocket at least some of the time instead of in their bag/purse ALL of the time. That's a design flaw. No. You're misrepresenting the problem entirely. The problem is not "putting the phone in your pocket" as you state. The problem is putting your phone in your pocket and then applying enough pressure to the device to bend it, whether intentionally or not. If putting the phone in your pocket caused this, EVERYONE would experience it, and it would truly be a design flaw. As it is, a tiny minority of people have put the phone in their pocket, applied a huge amount of pressure to the frame, and bent it. I held one earlier today and I doubt I could apply sufficient pressure to permanently bend it with my hands. It's insane that people are blaming Apple for this. > Either change your material (not majority aluminium), or really change your communication (push it as a tablet or a phone for in your bag) and warn of the risks. Warning: if you drop your iPhone it's going to smash. Warning: if you set fire to your iPhone it's going to burn. Warning: if you put your phone in your pocket and bend the phone, it will fucking bend. > Don't just push it like an ordinary larger phone and stay silent when people say it bends in their pocket days after release, and when people bend it with their fingers on camera. Just like the 5S did. Just like the Samsung Galaxies do. Why don't people understand how this works? If you bend something, it will bend. > I don't see how people can deny this is an issue. Because 9.9 million people have the phone and no problem. Because they're not idiots who put a phone in their pocket, apply pressure to it somehow, and bend the phone. > Obviously it's not a problem of people using their phone in an insane manner, as we simply didn't see similar bending problems with every iphone release before. How many reported instances of this versus iPhone 6 users who have managed to not bend their phones? It's definitely an edge case of people using their phone in an unusual way (if it was the usual way it would be bending more phones). It's that simple.
- lloeki 12y ago
  > Tl;dr: if you sit on something, it might break. Especially for varying definitions of "sitting", which may involve constantly jittering on one's chair or being in a habit of regularly hurling oneself into a sofa.
allegory 12y ago
This. I've had several smartphone devices over the years and not one has been bent in my pocket, even when I sit on it. I don't expect it to happen, even on a premium device.
ghaff 12y ago
Assuming accuracy of reports, etc. But, yes, if it's relatively easy to bend a phone even slightly by putting it in a normal (for reasonable tightness values of normal) front pocket, that's questionable. Though--I would add--not because as many regurgitated articles suggest because Aluminum is a "soft, bendable metal" or because the heat in one's pocket softens the metal.
MCRed 12y ago
These are not typical usage scenarios. These are standard issue "put it in a bench press and pretend it happened in my pocket" anti-iphone hysteria. Just like the claim that the finger print scanner didn't work, the entirety of antenna gate and, naturally, all the pictures of shattered glass we see every time a new model comes out. "oh, it was just sitting on the night stand and fell about 6 inches into a pillow and the glass shattered!" I predict we'll get "my iPhone caught on fire!" and "man in china electrocuted by genuine apple power adapter[1]!" stories in the next couple months. [1] Actually cheap poorly made knockoff but the press won't mention that.
- pritambaral 12y ago
  While there is some level of faking in this world, I do not think that all claims are fake. Your absolute denial of every claim ever reads suspiciously like conspiracy theorism.
- IkmoIkmo 12y ago
  Funny I've never seen someone bend an iphone 1,2,3,4,5,6 with their fingers on camera, but the 6+, days after release on the first try. We'll see how this claim holds up, but look I'm an iphone user, not anti-apple at all, and not hysterical. It'd be pretty hysterical for me to deny what I'm seeing with my own two eyes.
nicholassmith 12y ago
Sure, but it's not a normal phone, it's essentially a mini-tablet at that size. Yes, there's a pervading sense of 'you're pocketing it wrong', but there's been a few photos dug up and Apple will have sold somewhere between 1-3m iPhone 6 Plus' so far. Either it's limited to very specific circumstances, or they've got devices that have a specific structural weakness, or we've yet to hear the full extent.

by dalai 12y ago

georgespencer 12y ago

> I do think that putting your phone in your front pocket is typical Correct. And for, hm, probably 99.98% of the 10m iPhone 6 users created over the weekend, that isn't an issue. You're drawing a misleading comparison between putting your iPhone in your pocket and it becoming bent out of shape. What happens when you put your phone in your pocket is crucial: exerting sufficient pressure to bend (as opposed to flex) the phone. This is a problem with any object of similar proportions and rigidity when sufficient pressure is applied. Tl;dr: if you sit on something, it might break.

YokoZar 12y ago
As an aside, if after one weekend 0.02% of people's iphones have bent, then within one year we would expect a good million bent iphones out there.
- defective 12y ago
  Not if it's a matter of a persons typical usage patterns exceeding some sort of structural limit. If 0.02% of people typically put too much pressure on the phone in their pocket, and 99.98% of people do not, then the 0.02% will have any iPhone 6 rapidly fail, and the 99.98% will see failures only after an unusual incident or after receiving a weaker than normal phone, and thus at a much slower rate.
danford 12y ago
>This is a problem with any object of similar proportions and rigidity when sufficient pressure is applied. Well they need to change their design then. It's a design flaw.
- georgespencer 12y ago
  > Well they need to change their design then. It's a design flaw. Uh, what? You really think that because of an edge case outside of intended use (again: not just putting the phone in the pocket, we're actually applying significant pressure to it in order to accomplish this) Apple should design a thicker phone? There are 5.1 million car crashes in the US per year which result in damage, dents, and bends to cars. Maybe we should redesign all of them too? You're suggesting that because the material is not impervious to pressure they should augment the physical characteristics of the product to allow for an extraordinarily remote eventuality which is exhibited in a tiny number of devices which are used entirely outside of the normal conditions (i.e. they're under ENOUGH FUCKING PRESSURE TO BEND THEM.) Get a grip.
IkmoIkmo 12y ago
If you compare the 6 plus to the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and even the 6, it doesn't seem as if any of those phones have a problem. In or outside the pocket. Of course with enough pressure anything will bend or break, but consumers expect that with 'reasonable use' they can expect their device not to malform. And surprise, reasonable use for most people (particularly men) includes putting their phone in their pocket at least some of the time instead of in their bag/purse ALL of the time. That's a design flaw. Either change your material (not majority aluminium), or really change your communication (push it as a tablet or a phone for in your bag) and warn of the risks. Don't just push it like an ordinary larger phone and stay silent when people say it bends in their pocket days after release, and when people bend it with their fingers on camera. I don't see how people can deny this is an issue. Obviously it's not a problem of people using their phone in an insane manner, as we simply didn't see similar bending problems with every iphone release before.
- georgespencer 12y ago
  > If you compare the 6 plus to the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and even the 6, it doesn't seem as if any of those phones have a problem. In or outside the pocket. Incorrect. I saw reports of this with the 5S last year. Cult of Mac did a good round-up: http://www.cultofmac.com/297404/get-bent-shocking-history-bent-smartphones/ http://www.cultofmac.com/297404/get-bent-shocking-history-be... > Of course with enough pressure anything will bend or break, but consumers expect that with 'reasonable use' they can expect their device not to malform. I'd say that if you're applying enough pressure to bend a slab of aluminium and glass, you're A) someone who should have to have a licence in order to safely operate it without injuring yourself and B) definitely using it outside of its intended usage. > And surprise, reasonable use for most people (particularly men) includes putting their phone in their pocket at least some of the time instead of in their bag/purse ALL of the time. That's a design flaw. No. You're misrepresenting the problem entirely. The problem is not "putting the phone in your pocket" as you state. The problem is putting your phone in your pocket and then applying enough pressure to the device to bend it, whether intentionally or not. If putting the phone in your pocket caused this, EVERYONE would experience it, and it would truly be a design flaw. As it is, a tiny minority of people have put the phone in their pocket, applied a huge amount of pressure to the frame, and bent it. I held one earlier today and I doubt I could apply sufficient pressure to permanently bend it with my hands. It's insane that people are blaming Apple for this. > Either change your material (not majority aluminium), or really change your communication (push it as a tablet or a phone for in your bag) and warn of the risks. Warning: if you drop your iPhone it's going to smash. Warning: if you set fire to your iPhone it's going to burn. Warning: if you put your phone in your pocket and bend the phone, it will fucking bend. > Don't just push it like an ordinary larger phone and stay silent when people say it bends in their pocket days after release, and when people bend it with their fingers on camera. Just like the 5S did. Just like the Samsung Galaxies do. Why don't people understand how this works? If you bend something, it will bend. > I don't see how people can deny this is an issue. Because 9.9 million people have the phone and no problem. Because they're not idiots who put a phone in their pocket, apply pressure to it somehow, and bend the phone. > Obviously it's not a problem of people using their phone in an insane manner, as we simply didn't see similar bending problems with every iphone release before. How many reported instances of this versus iPhone 6 users who have managed to not bend their phones? It's definitely an edge case of people using their phone in an unusual way (if it was the usual way it would be bending more phones). It's that simple.
lloeki 12y ago
> Tl;dr: if you sit on something, it might break. Especially for varying definitions of "sitting", which may involve constantly jittering on one's chair or being in a habit of regularly hurling oneself into a sofa.

allegory 12y ago

This. I've had several smartphone devices over the years and not one has been bent in my pocket, even when I sit on it. I don't expect it to happen, even on a premium device.

ghaff 12y ago

Assuming accuracy of reports, etc. But, yes, if it's relatively easy to bend a phone even slightly by putting it in a normal (for reasonable tightness values of normal) front pocket, that's questionable. Though--I would add--not because as many regurgitated articles suggest because Aluminum is a "soft, bendable metal" or because the heat in one's pocket softens the metal.

MCRed 12y ago

These are not typical usage scenarios. These are standard issue "put it in a bench press and pretend it happened in my pocket" anti-iphone hysteria. Just like the claim that the finger print scanner didn't work, the entirety of antenna gate and, naturally, all the pictures of shattered glass we see every time a new model comes out. "oh, it was just sitting on the night stand and fell about 6 inches into a pillow and the glass shattered!" I predict we'll get "my iPhone caught on fire!" and "man in china electrocuted by genuine apple power adapter[1]!" stories in the next couple months. [1] Actually cheap poorly made knockoff but the press won't mention that.

pritambaral 12y ago
While there is some level of faking in this world, I do not think that all claims are fake. Your absolute denial of every claim ever reads suspiciously like conspiracy theorism.
IkmoIkmo 12y ago
Funny I've never seen someone bend an iphone 1,2,3,4,5,6 with their fingers on camera, but the 6+, days after release on the first try. We'll see how this claim holds up, but look I'm an iphone user, not anti-apple at all, and not hysterical. It'd be pretty hysterical for me to deny what I'm seeing with my own two eyes.

nicholassmith 12y ago

Sure, but it's not a normal phone, it's essentially a mini-tablet at that size. Yes, there's a pervading sense of 'you're pocketing it wrong', but there's been a few photos dug up and Apple will have sold somewhere between 1-3m iPhone 6 Plus' so far. Either it's limited to very specific circumstances, or they've got devices that have a specific structural weakness, or we've yet to hear the full extent.