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I'd consider myself a serious developer and I love GNOME 3. > Focused and unfocused windows look almost identical I have never had a problem distinguishing.

by jmhain 12y ago

I'd consider myself a serious developer and I love GNOME 3. > Focused and unfocused windows look almost identical I have never had a problem distinguishing. > Expected features like tray icons, virtual desktops, alt+drag to move/resize windows, even alt+tab don't work out-of-the-box All of the above work perfectly fine. I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about. > Window focus seems completely broken You'll have to be more specific here; works fine for me. > IntelliJ's menus don't track the moue properly - again, probably a Java issue, but still works great under KDE I had issues with IntelliJ until I switched from OpenJDK to the Oracle JDK. Now it works fine (though a bit ugly). > Having to "drag" the screensaver thing away is annoying You're doing it wrong. Just start typing your password and it goes away. Some of the developers definitely do have a bad attitude, but many are actually quite awesome. Besides, more often than not, their way has turned out pretty good.

fixedd 12y ago
I'm 100% in agreement with you here. Gnome 3 was/is, to me, the only desktop I can stand to use anymore. I will agree with OP's complaint about alt-tab though... I had to install [Coverflow Alt-Tab|https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/97/coverflow-alt-tab/ https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/97/coverflow-alt-tab/].
sjolsen 12y ago
> tray icons Some end up being minuscule (I'm looking at a ~1px-wide ownCloud icon right now) and the location is definitely non-obvious. I didn't even know Gnome 3 had a system tray for about a month, until I accidentally pulled it up. > alt+drag to move/resize windows This is not enabled by default, and there's no way to enable it in the default settings manager. I think gnome-tweak-tool has added support, but I had to dig around in dconf to enable it not too long ago. > even alt+tab don't work out-of-the-box Alt-Tabbing in Gnome 3 is fscked. You're expected to use Alt-~ to switch between windows of the same "application," while Alt-Tab only switches between application-group-things. You can fix it with a plugin, but you have to fix it with a plugin. That's ridiculous. > Window focus seems completely broken New windows are sometimes raised above other windows. Sometimes they're raised below. Sometimes they have focus. Sometimes they don't. I've experienced this issue with other window systems too, though, so I don't know if Gnome is to blame for it. > more often than not, their way has turned out pretty good It's something of an 80/20 scenario: yes, most of "their way" is perfectly fine, but a good chunk of it just sucks. Worse, which chunk of it sucks is different for different people and for different reasons. For example, I can't stand workspaces, but I know people who swear by them. Conversely, a lot of people prefer the old program menus, but I like the incremental search Gnome uses. This is a universal problem, and it's easily solved: give the user options. No matter how well you design an interface, it's going to be wrong in some way for someone. By all means, yes, ship sane defaults, but give your users the ability to control their workflows on their computers.
- jmhain 12y ago
  > This is not enabled by default, and there's no way to enable it in the default settings manager. I think gnome-tweak-tool has added support, but I had to dig around in dconf to enable it not too long ago. Try super+drag. If I remember correctly, they're trying to change window manager interactions to use super to free up alt for applications. > It's something of an 80/20 scenario: yes, most of "their way" is perfectly fine, but a good chunk of it just sucks. Worse, which chunk of it sucks is different for different people and for different reasons. For example, I can't stand workspaces, but I know people who swear by them. Conversely, a lot of people prefer the old program menus, but I like the incremental search Gnome uses. While it admittedly could be better, you can customize GNOME Shell significantly with extensions. The GNOME Classic session is implemented entirely with extensions in fact IIRC.
  - cryo 12y ago
    wahh cool super + drag works just great. thx, made my day

by jmhain 12y ago

fixedd 12y ago

I'm 100% in agreement with you here. Gnome 3 was/is, to me, the only desktop I can stand to use anymore. I will agree with OP's complaint about alt-tab though... I had to install [Coverflow Alt-Tab|https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/97/coverflow-alt-tab/ https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/97/coverflow-alt-tab/].

sjolsen 12y ago

> tray icons Some end up being minuscule (I'm looking at a ~1px-wide ownCloud icon right now) and the location is definitely non-obvious. I didn't even know Gnome 3 had a system tray for about a month, until I accidentally pulled it up. > alt+drag to move/resize windows This is not enabled by default, and there's no way to enable it in the default settings manager. I think gnome-tweak-tool has added support, but I had to dig around in dconf to enable it not too long ago. > even alt+tab don't work out-of-the-box Alt-Tabbing in Gnome 3 is fscked. You're expected to use Alt-~ to switch between windows of the same "application," while Alt-Tab only switches between application-group-things. You can fix it with a plugin, but you have to fix it with a plugin. That's ridiculous. > Window focus seems completely broken New windows are sometimes raised above other windows. Sometimes they're raised below. Sometimes they have focus. Sometimes they don't. I've experienced this issue with other window systems too, though, so I don't know if Gnome is to blame for it. > more often than not, their way has turned out pretty good It's something of an 80/20 scenario: yes, most of "their way" is perfectly fine, but a good chunk of it just sucks. Worse, which chunk of it sucks is different for different people and for different reasons. For example, I can't stand workspaces, but I know people who swear by them. Conversely, a lot of people prefer the old program menus, but I like the incremental search Gnome uses. This is a universal problem, and it's easily solved: give the user options. No matter how well you design an interface, it's going to be wrong in some way for someone. By all means, yes, ship sane defaults, but give your users the ability to control their workflows on their computers.

jmhain 12y ago
> This is not enabled by default, and there's no way to enable it in the default settings manager. I think gnome-tweak-tool has added support, but I had to dig around in dconf to enable it not too long ago. Try super+drag. If I remember correctly, they're trying to change window manager interactions to use super to free up alt for applications. > It's something of an 80/20 scenario: yes, most of "their way" is perfectly fine, but a good chunk of it just sucks. Worse, which chunk of it sucks is different for different people and for different reasons. For example, I can't stand workspaces, but I know people who swear by them. Conversely, a lot of people prefer the old program menus, but I like the incremental search Gnome uses. While it admittedly could be better, you can customize GNOME Shell significantly with extensions. The GNOME Classic session is implemented entirely with extensions in fact IIRC.
- cryo 12y ago
  wahh cool super + drag works just great. thx, made my day