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You paint too simple a picture. And, if you go back to before the (successful and on-going) attempt to ethnically purge Palestine by European Jewish immigrants
by ggg999 12y ago
You paint too simple a picture. And, if you go back to before the (successful and on-going) attempt to ethnically purge Palestine by European Jewish immigrants, you will see that Jews, and Christians were not persecuted when that land was under Muslim rule.
In Israel, only 7% of the land was owned by Jews when the state of Israel was created. The rest was stolen. Homes were stolen at gunpoint. The Israelis repeatedly engage in massacres of the Palestinian and Lebanese civilians to this day. Resistance should be expected. And, with the level of violence perpetrated by Israelis, a violent resistance is understandable.
The death toll for civilians is pretty lopsided. In just the massacre of operation cast lead, the Israelis murdered nearly 1500 people, nearly 450 children. Israel suffered 3 civilian deaths in retribution. Again and again, the Israelis call for evacuation to U.N. schools, then bomb the schools. Once a mistake, twice maybe a mistake, but we are well beyond twice. IDF soldiers wear t-shirts with a picture of a pregnant woman in cross-hairs with (in Hebrew), "one bullet two kills" Israel recently even apologized (therefore admitted to) harvesting organs from Palestinian prisoners for transplant into Jews. The Israelis even use their massacre of civilians as a selling point for their weapons exports, "battle tested in Gaza." The Israelis are the terrorists by any objective measure.
There was a poll in Haaretz that showed overwhelming support by Israelis of the cast lead massacre. The percentage in support of the massacre was exactly the Jewish population of Israel. So, complete justification to paint in a very broad brush.
The Israelis have Jewish only roads. And there are around 30 laws that give special treatment to Jews over other citizens. And, if you want to be truly disgusted, visit some of the Palestinian villages neighboring Jewish settler towns-- you will see things like the Jewish settlers directing their raw sewage into the Palestinian village below (well what is left of the Palestinian village with the constant raids by Jewish terrorist settlers, and Israeli military). Jewish settlers walk around everywhere with powerful weapons intimidating the Palestinians who are not permitted to do the same.
Ugliest place I have ever been (Every Arab I met there was kind and generous, and even in refugee camps, I never heard a hateful word about the Israeli Jews, the other way, I only met two Israeli Jews [out of 10s] who did not make some sort of slur). Only place I have zero desire to ever return to.
- BugBrother 12y agoThis was propaganda from a karma 9 account. I'll touch some points but I think that there are too many fanatics on this subject, it doesn't work on HN. (I got a couple of comments first upvoted and then down voted a bunch of points, so I guess this will go the same way.) >>In Israel, only 7% of the land was owned by Jews when the state of Israel was created. More Jews were thrown out of the Muslim countries than Palestinians fled. (And not in a burning civil war, but from cold blooded racism.) The possessions stolen from those Jews included land area multiple times the size of Israel. Most of those Jews fled to Israel. So how about a reasonable view -- do a swap and call it even? The Palestinians get some of the resources stolen by their allied Muslim countries? Why is that bad? >>Jews, and Christians were not persecuted when that land was under Muslim rule. This is in fact true now... Since most every Jew were thrown out of the Muslim world because of what some other Jews did, there are none to persecute.. Worth reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world#Modern_examples http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world#... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism#Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism#Mohammad... It is easy to find more. >> IDF soldiers wear t-shirts with a picture of a pregnant woman in cross-hairs [...] You demonise a country for what some individuals do. What do you then say about about officially sanctioned racist hatred, copied from the Nazis?! Like the Arab countries... In state controlled media. The previous Egyptian president spoke about the importance of teaching your children to hate Jews... And so on. So how many hundreds of times worse is that? You're not a dishonest hypocrite with different standards for different sides, are you? >> [Latest Gaza war] - Started by Hamas, which also gave murderers of three children a hero status. (Note that some Israelis did a revenge murder -- and will end up in jail.) - Shooting from civilian areas -- at civilians. (There are empty areas in Gaza: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4580/gaza-population-density http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4580/gaza-population-densi... ) - http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/09/hamas-quietly-admits-it-fired-rockets-from-civilian-areas/380149/ http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/09/hamas-quietly-admits-i... - Ah... No. Waste of time and damaging HN. :-( (Also worth mentioning is how the Muslim world kept the Palestinians in camps and refused to integrate them for generations. Just to keep the hatred going. Smart, since most every other land loss from WWII is forgotten. Just a pity they destroyed so many lives to do it. Arguably, much worse than anything the Israelis ever did to the Palestinians, even in your description...)