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I think this is the most damning leak to date. There is no justification for freely giving information to Israel. And the part about people's porn habits being
by jostmey 12y ago
I think this is the most damning leak to date. There is no justification for freely giving information to Israel. And the part about people's porn habits being tracked is even scarier. That could be used to discredit virtually anyone (well, any male at least). Who hasn't visited an embarrassing porn website at least once in their life ? Now imagine your name being publicly associated with that website.
- ronreiter 12y agoThere is justification, it's a co-operation between Israel and the U.S. Just like the US helps Israel, Israel helps the US.
- colordrops 12y agoCo-operation between countries still requires that laws are followed. You can't just send the private data of your citizens to foreign nationals. That is unequivocally against the law and could even be interpreted as treason.
- dllthomas 12y ago"could even be interpreted as treason." That seems far-fetched. Edited to add: Just to be clear, "not treason" doesn't mean "good"; "not deplorable"; or even, necessarily, "not deserving of the death penalty" - it just means "not treason".
- snarfy 12y agoNot really. Treason requires we be at war, but the 'war on terror' never really ends.
- dllthomas 12y agoAny reasonable interpretation requires that someone involved (either the traitor or a person specifically aided by the traitor) be engaged in "making war against the US." There being a war isn't anything like sufficient, and not all criminal acts make one "an Enemy of the United States," foreign national or not.
- Mandatum 12y agoMy guess would be Israel is more likely to handle sensitive and controversial data more strictly with unofficially "defected" US employee's. Domestic surveillance of any questionable kind can be kept very secret and they can apply very strict control over who has access to the data and how they can handle it - as well as bypassing any laws/legislation already in place. Plus if you pissed off Israel whilst you're still there, you're in trouble..
- jostmey 12y agoI'm sorry but exactly how does Israel help the US?
- geographomics 12y agoSurely one could just deny any such assertions on their pornographic habits (or other embarrassing information)? Anything that would be claimed as proof could just as well be a collection of manufactured lies rather than leaked truth.
- benologist 12y agoAccusations can last forever even if they're thoroughly debunked, and they can be dominant in large part thanks to SEO and the spread of info online rather than anything the victim can control. This is why the EU wants the "right to be forgotten" on Google etc - to let the innocent be innocent.
- geographomics 12y agoExactly, the accusation is sufficient - no proof is required to discredit someone.
- bmelton 12y agoDenying the existence of provable facts? I have a hard time imagining how that could be effective without a PR team and a compelling narrative to be spun.
- dllthomas 12y agoWhat does "proof" of your visiting a porn site look like, when bad actors set out to discredit you? I weakly agree with your second sentence, but I am not sure I understand the first.