Point taken. But the iPhone and iPad are very definitely computers. You can even code on them in a large variety of ways. Most people I knew who had C64's knew

Point taken. But the iPhone and iPad are very definitely computers. You can even code on them in a large variety of ways. Most people I knew who had C64's knew only enough to launch games (and often they had the instructions scrawled on the disk slip covers). And that includes CS majors.