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Ah, the perennial not a game argument. In response to an article that claims that Kickstarter and Twitter are video games. You're welcome to that first opinion

by jere 12y ago

Ah, the perennial not a game argument. In response to an article that claims that Kickstarter and Twitter are video games. You're welcome to that first opinion, but not the latter: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/gone-home http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/gone-home

imanaccount247 12y ago
You think a 5.4 is well received?
- jere 12y ago
  I think an 86 is very well received. I think hundreds of 0s and 1s in the User Scores is evidence of nothing but trolls.
  - imanaccount247 12y ago
    I think an 86 is meaningless because of the source. We already know, 100% for certain that the majority of those reviews come from people who accept bribes. The fact that you dismiss the rating based on real people, and value the score based on bribery is pretty sad.
    - jere 12y ago
      >We already know, 100% for certain that the majority of those reviews come from people who accept bribes [citation needed] I've already addressed why I dismiss the user scores (in this specific case). And instead of resorting to conspiracy theories, I can actually justify my dismissal using the publicly available content of the reviews themselves. They're trolls plain and simple. The really hilarious part is that you want to accuse a studio composed of 3 people working out of a basement of handing out bribes.
      - imanaccount247 12y ago
        You can use the content of the shill reviews too, the majority are done by people who didn't even play the game. Are you seriously telling me you've missed the whole GG afair that's been going on for the last month? Where it was discovered that indie game devs are being invested in by the people running indie game "competitions" who then hand them awards and schmooze "journalists" to hype their investments? You missed that whole "oops, we are really sorry about that whole integrity thing, we'll be good now" business?
ekianjo 12y ago
> You're welcome to that first opinion, but not the latter: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/gone-home http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/gone-home I like it when people directly link something that disapprove their saying. User Score: 5.4. And yeah, I don't care about "professional game journalists" in a world where everyone can actually provide their opinion on a game, and when we know the practices of the people who are paid to do that kind of job.
- jere 12y ago
  Usually when someone says "well received" they mean professional critics. User Scores are a nice idea in theory, but rather meaningless when a game like this gets hundreds of 0s and 1s out of 10. It was easily the best game I've played in the last year.
  - ekianjo 12y ago
    > Usually when someone says "well received" they mean professional critics. Says who ?
- jcromartie 12y ago
  I find that user scores are plagued by polarized fanboy mob action. Users will rally to flood places like Metacritic with bad reviews to punish developers that they don't like for personal (or herd) reasons. Virtually all of the negative user reviews for Gone Home demonstrate the "Gone Home is not a game" meme. These are not reviews from people who think for themselves and engage in actual criticism. These are the reviews of people who are mad because the "gamer" milieu tells them they should be mad about Gone Home. It's the same thing as when people ding Fez because "Phil Fish is an asshole." Or they write off Minecraft because "Notch was lucky."
  - ekianjo 12y ago
    I find that official scores are plagued by corruption and wrong incentives in place (game critics get paid by advertising from game companies... how twisted is that? If this were in any other serious business nobody would take it seriously). And don't tell me we don't have examples of that. I think user reviews can be great. I read a lot of them before buying a game. They are often way more detailed than anything coming from actual "journalists", because a number of users can be expert a certain type of games instead of journalists playing any kind of junk out there for money. Don't discard social media, you are on Hacker News after all.

by jere 12y ago

imanaccount247 12y ago

You think a 5.4 is well received?

jere 12y ago
I think an 86 is very well received. I think hundreds of 0s and 1s in the User Scores is evidence of nothing but trolls.
- imanaccount247 12y ago
  I think an 86 is meaningless because of the source. We already know, 100% for certain that the majority of those reviews come from people who accept bribes. The fact that you dismiss the rating based on real people, and value the score based on bribery is pretty sad.
  - jere 12y ago
    >We already know, 100% for certain that the majority of those reviews come from people who accept bribes [citation needed] I've already addressed why I dismiss the user scores (in this specific case). And instead of resorting to conspiracy theories, I can actually justify my dismissal using the publicly available content of the reviews themselves. They're trolls plain and simple. The really hilarious part is that you want to accuse a studio composed of 3 people working out of a basement of handing out bribes.
    - imanaccount247 12y ago
      You can use the content of the shill reviews too, the majority are done by people who didn't even play the game. Are you seriously telling me you've missed the whole GG afair that's been going on for the last month? Where it was discovered that indie game devs are being invested in by the people running indie game "competitions" who then hand them awards and schmooze "journalists" to hype their investments? You missed that whole "oops, we are really sorry about that whole integrity thing, we'll be good now" business?

ekianjo 12y ago

> You're welcome to that first opinion, but not the latter: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/gone-home http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/gone-home I like it when people directly link something that disapprove their saying. User Score: 5.4. And yeah, I don't care about "professional game journalists" in a world where everyone can actually provide their opinion on a game, and when we know the practices of the people who are paid to do that kind of job.

jere 12y ago
Usually when someone says "well received" they mean professional critics. User Scores are a nice idea in theory, but rather meaningless when a game like this gets hundreds of 0s and 1s out of 10. It was easily the best game I've played in the last year.
- ekianjo 12y ago
  > Usually when someone says "well received" they mean professional critics. Says who ?
jcromartie 12y ago
I find that user scores are plagued by polarized fanboy mob action. Users will rally to flood places like Metacritic with bad reviews to punish developers that they don't like for personal (or herd) reasons. Virtually all of the negative user reviews for Gone Home demonstrate the "Gone Home is not a game" meme. These are not reviews from people who think for themselves and engage in actual criticism. These are the reviews of people who are mad because the "gamer" milieu tells them they should be mad about Gone Home. It's the same thing as when people ding Fez because "Phil Fish is an asshole." Or they write off Minecraft because "Notch was lucky."
- ekianjo 12y ago
  I find that official scores are plagued by corruption and wrong incentives in place (game critics get paid by advertising from game companies... how twisted is that? If this were in any other serious business nobody would take it seriously). And don't tell me we don't have examples of that. I think user reviews can be great. I read a lot of them before buying a game. They are often way more detailed than anything coming from actual "journalists", because a number of users can be expert a certain type of games instead of journalists playing any kind of junk out there for money. Don't discard social media, you are on Hacker News after all.