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Is it me or does anyone here thinks that with the recent progress in static compiled language in user-friendliness, the path of optimizing the ugly parts of dyn

by bsaul 12y ago

Is it me or does anyone here thinks that with the recent progress in static compiled language in user-friendliness, the path of optimizing the ugly parts of dynamic languages outside of the language design itself is a waste of time ? Note : not saying this research isn't interesting, because it may lead to many different uses. Just about the example chosen itself.

jshen 12y ago
I have used many of the fancy staticly typed languages and still find dynamic languages more productive, and more accessible to a larger range of people.
- NotAtWork 12y ago
  I only find them more productive until about 300-500 LoC. It's about at that point, particularly if there's multiple files, that I find myself suddenly wishing for stronger type systems. That being said, most things I write (outside of work) aren't that long, and you can get started faster in dynamic languages.
  - jshen 12y ago
    I haven't felt any improvement in productivity at higher KLOC counts with statically typed languages in my coding. I've also worked at several large companies and have watched teams using both types of languages, and I have not seen more productivity from those using statically typed languages. More importantly, there is no conclusive empirical evidence either way.
    - cantankerous 12y ago
      Which statically-typed languages are you using?
      - jshen 12y ago
        I've used many of them. Java, Scala, Haskell, ocaml, etc. Also, in the open source world there is no visible difference in robustness or productivity. Edit: I forgot to mention go, and I thought HN was better than down voting someone that has a different opinion.
        jgalt212 12y ago
        jshen: I feel your pain. I think there's been too much down-voting by the karma bullies on HN lately, and I think that's the number one reason there's been less comments on HN. Of course, there are folks who will feel that even though there are less comments lately the level of discourse is higher.
evilduck 12y ago
That sort of neglects the impact of these sorts of efforts on existing codebases, and there's millions of man-hours poured into writing those.
luikore 12y ago
Removing-VM-lock-with-HTM has nothing to do with dynamic or static, compiled or not compiled. Many "staic compiled languages" can have global VM lock too.

by bsaul 12y ago

jshen 12y ago

I have used many of the fancy staticly typed languages and still find dynamic languages more productive, and more accessible to a larger range of people.

NotAtWork 12y ago
I only find them more productive until about 300-500 LoC. It's about at that point, particularly if there's multiple files, that I find myself suddenly wishing for stronger type systems. That being said, most things I write (outside of work) aren't that long, and you can get started faster in dynamic languages.
- jshen 12y ago
  I haven't felt any improvement in productivity at higher KLOC counts with statically typed languages in my coding. I've also worked at several large companies and have watched teams using both types of languages, and I have not seen more productivity from those using statically typed languages. More importantly, there is no conclusive empirical evidence either way.
  - cantankerous 12y ago
    Which statically-typed languages are you using?
    - jshen 12y ago
      I've used many of them. Java, Scala, Haskell, ocaml, etc. Also, in the open source world there is no visible difference in robustness or productivity. Edit: I forgot to mention go, and I thought HN was better than down voting someone that has a different opinion.
      - jgalt212 12y ago
        jshen: I feel your pain. I think there's been too much down-voting by the karma bullies on HN lately, and I think that's the number one reason there's been less comments on HN. Of course, there are folks who will feel that even though there are less comments lately the level of discourse is higher.

evilduck 12y ago

That sort of neglects the impact of these sorts of efforts on existing codebases, and there's millions of man-hours poured into writing those.

luikore 12y ago

Removing-VM-lock-with-HTM has nothing to do with dynamic or static, compiled or not compiled. Many "staic compiled languages" can have global VM lock too.