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Your comments about low achievement for group defense/satisfaction are also seen in Elton Mayo's Hawthorne Studies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elton_Mayo http
by cturner 17y ago
Your comments about low achievement for group defense/satisfaction are also seen in Elton Mayo's Hawthorne Studies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elton_Mayo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elton_Mayo) in a contact that's not related to race.
As a Jew you're about as far away from "Underacheivement as a group Defense Mechanism" as it's possible to get. The history of the world is filled with stories of people who have lost their way, their identity and become bland (not least the ten tribes of the north, if you buy into that). Despite all the stuff going against them, people who know that they're Jewish (even when they don't have a particularly strong connection to the group) manage to pull themselves out of difficult situations and rise to become very successful in whatever challenges they set themselves.
Immigrants by definition cannot belong to the group-care mindset.
That's not universally true. There's a subculture in the UK (and probably other places) of Han Chinese gaining access as illegal immigrants with intent to directly benefit their family back home. Sometimes one half of a married couple will do it so they can secure education for their child. See _Chinese Whispers: The True Story Behind Britain's Hidden Army of Labour (Paperback)_, Pai, 2008.
- tezza 17y agoHi CTurner, I don't know why you were downmodded... what you said makes perfect sense. I am firmly in the camp of Achieve and Prosper. Being Jewish helps :) , but the Immigrant bit was the mainstay of my comment. jews have been thrown out of lots of countries (including Egypt/Israel/Iran in Bible) so it may be in our blood to be Immigrants and thus to trust most in the care you can provide to your own family via success. I know lots of 5 generation jews who underperform versus some dynamic Israelis. Different topic, different discussion. -- I only commented on it because I work extensively with Charities. I now do volunteer work with the IT4Communities[1] and have worked with lots of others in the past too. I have perceived an active repulsion to Money and Success amongst many Charity Staff. These staff are often recruited from the community which normally does the rest of the caring. This is where I have developed my idea that the Fear of Money is actually misguided Concern for Community. They love their community as it struggles to help the needy and are petrified of being left as the only broke fuckers who care as the University grads end up in finance. ---------- [1] http://www.it4communities.org.uk/it4c/home/index.jsp http://www.it4communities.org.uk/it4c/home/index.jsp
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- riahi 17y agoAs far as I can remember, Jews haven't been thrown out of Iran. Expelled from Spain, discriminated against via the pogroms of east Europe, but at least in my family's city of Esfahan, Jews have always been welcome. Many have immigrated to Israel, but not out of a forced migration, rather they moved to be in the "homeland".
- tezza 17y agoThey were captured from Israel and put in exile in Iran, Iraq (Babylon back then) by Nebuchadnezzar :: http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/people/g/nebuchadnezzar.htm http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/people/g/nebuchadnezzar.h... Later they were freed to go back to remnants of Jerusalem.