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It will be interesting to see the effects on crime rates, if any. The policy has been controversial, so it will be important to see if it was getting actual res

It will be interesting to see the effects on crime rates, if any. The policy has been controversial, so it will be important to see if it was getting actual results, or whether it was raising controversy for no reason.

ZeroGravitas 12y ago
If you do ever compare the crime rates, remember to subtract all the victimless crimes. In fact, total up all the police time and resources wasted on those victimless crimes and consider that as a very strong negative even if it causes the number of "crimes" to tick up by one.
CapitalistCartr 12y ago
Reducing crime is no excuse for violating people's rights. Eviciserating the Constitution will always make the police's job easier. If they could take a DNA sample from every resident, it would simplify crime-solving. If they could search every house in a neighborhood without a warrant, hold every suspect in a crime . . . Police states are certainly efficient that way. Humans have to balance safety of different kinds to create a livable society. Safety from fellow citizens versus safety from those we empower to provide that safety.
- gus_massa 12y ago
  But be careful, because these techniques are also useful to incriminate innocent people, dissidents and to find a scapegoat when you can't find the real criminal. I'll tempted to go full hyperbolic and claim that these techniques are more useful to increase the incarceration of innocent people than to find the real criminals, but I'd like to know if someone has measure it and has actual evidence.
gcv 12y ago
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-stop-and-frisks-drop-99-percent-shootings-increase-brooklyn-article-1.1905456 http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-stop-and-... FTA: "Shootings are up in East New York from 34 to 43 through Aug. 10, a spike of about 27% compared to last year. In Brownsville, shootings are up from 38 to 56, an increase of about 47% over the same time period." It's probably too early to draw broad conclusions, and more data is certainly needed across more precincts. I also do not entirely trust self-reported police data: politics, pay, and funding might interfere with protecting and serving.

ZeroGravitas 12y ago

If you do ever compare the crime rates, remember to subtract all the victimless crimes. In fact, total up all the police time and resources wasted on those victimless crimes and consider that as a very strong negative even if it causes the number of "crimes" to tick up by one.

CapitalistCartr 12y ago

Reducing crime is no excuse for violating people's rights. Eviciserating the Constitution will always make the police's job easier. If they could take a DNA sample from every resident, it would simplify crime-solving. If they could search every house in a neighborhood without a warrant, hold every suspect in a crime . . . Police states are certainly efficient that way. Humans have to balance safety of different kinds to create a livable society. Safety from fellow citizens versus safety from those we empower to provide that safety.

gus_massa 12y ago
But be careful, because these techniques are also useful to incriminate innocent people, dissidents and to find a scapegoat when you can't find the real criminal. I'll tempted to go full hyperbolic and claim that these techniques are more useful to increase the incarceration of innocent people than to find the real criminals, but I'd like to know if someone has measure it and has actual evidence.

gcv 12y ago

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-stop-and-frisks-drop-99-percent-shootings-increase-brooklyn-article-1.1905456 http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-stop-and-... FTA: "Shootings are up in East New York from 34 to 43 through Aug. 10, a spike of about 27% compared to last year. In Brownsville, shootings are up from 38 to 56, an increase of about 47% over the same time period." It's probably too early to draw broad conclusions, and more data is certainly needed across more precincts. I also do not entirely trust self-reported police data: politics, pay, and funding might interfere with protecting and serving.