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A reminder: the petition https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-united-states-district-attorney-carmen-ortiz-office-overreach-case-aaron-swartz/RQNrG1

A reminder: the petition https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-united-states-district-attorney-carmen-ortiz-office-overreach-case-aaron-swartz/RQNrG1Ck https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-united-stat... has not been responded yet, after more than one and a half years.

joering2 12y ago
Why are you reminding about this? Isn't it obvious, 6 years later, that entire Obama Administration is a charade?? Why would it be any different when it comes to petitions.whitehouse? Don't mind the case of obvious abuse of power and long arm of the gov that destroyed the life of a young and basically innocent man.... here look at this one, nice and thoroughly answered: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/release-recipe-honey-ale-home-brewed-white-house/XkpkYwc0 https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/release-recipe-hon...
- ivanca 12y ago
  I'm afraid you are right. "After 911 we tortured some folks but lets not be sanctimonious about the tough job the tortures had" is by far the worst thing any president (or dictator) has ever say in a public speech.
idlewords 12y ago
Better start a petition to fix that!
deleted 12y ago
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neverminder 12y ago
Indeed, I remember signing this back then. White House seems to be dodging responses to certain petitions that have received enough signatures: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/13/here-are-the-30-questions-the-white-house-doesnt-want-to-answer/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/13...
- cheald 12y ago
  Has Obama's White House ever responded significantly to any petition made through that system? It's a pressure valve designed to bleed off discontent, not an actual channel for affecting change.
  - yoyar 12y ago
    ^ This
  - lambdapower 12y ago
    My favorite petition came right after a few of the early responses, titled "We demand a vapid, condescending, meaningless, politically safe response to this petition." I can't find it on the petition site anymore.
    - McDoku 12y ago
      Can you really blame the guy for being politically safe? I know it sucks but it is a war of inches. Things change with the backing of the people. The Republicans know this well and uses that reaction. They are fundamentally populist (whether you agree with them or not, they have skill here). Absolute justice gives way to a triage. Fundamentally with out that triage nothing gets treated. It is an unfortunate reality. It will only change, if how we work is rethought. These are the scope of the actions available in our game. The pattern has been replicated consistently through similar models in history. It could very easily become robbing Peter to pay Paul. *edit Getting downvote....sigh.... I realize it is an unpopular opinion but it is a consistent pattern for republics through out human history. Please offer me a counter example to facilitate debate if you disagree.
      - autokad 12y ago
        i disagree. for one thing, he's in his 2nd term, there is no 'war of inches' to lose. when he has a political agenda, nothing stops him from shoving it through no matter what. for stuff he cares two licks about but knows his voters care about, he just retorts 'the republicans wont let me'.
rweba 12y ago
The current threshold is 100,000 and the petition only has 61,040 votes.
- bdcravens 12y ago
  Doesn't apply to petitions prior to the change. That page says "SIGNATURES NEEDED BY FEBRUARY 11, 2013 TO REACH GOAL OF 25,000" (though it's moot anyways, given the usual responses to these surveys)
ninv 12y ago
This petition is useless. She was merely following the orders, a puppet.
- WalterSear 12y ago
  She was advancing her career.
bdcravens 12y ago
What would the response be? The petition says to remove Ortiz. Not investigate. Not chastise. Not start hearings. That's a pretty binary decision. A website survey, that could easily be gamed, that has fewer signatures than the population of a random small city, is supposed to result in completely bypassing the USC? Most would agree with the sentiment, but the petition was failed from the moment the creator hit Submit.
dredmorbius 12y ago
Responses of the Obama administration to online petitions has been ... less than encouraging. However: the administration created the petitions process, and petitions are online. What has and hasn't been responded to is a matter of public record. If, at some point, another political party (or even a different administration of the same party) comes into power, and changes this in any significant way (including, possibly, improving the system, though I suspect it might go the other way) will be notable. Regardless of the follow-through, Obama did set a precedent.

joering2 12y ago

Why are you reminding about this? Isn't it obvious, 6 years later, that entire Obama Administration is a charade?? Why would it be any different when it comes to petitions.whitehouse? Don't mind the case of obvious abuse of power and long arm of the gov that destroyed the life of a young and basically innocent man.... here look at this one, nice and thoroughly answered: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/release-recipe-honey-ale-home-brewed-white-house/XkpkYwc0 https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/release-recipe-hon...

ivanca 12y ago
I'm afraid you are right. "After 911 we tortured some folks but lets not be sanctimonious about the tough job the tortures had" is by far the worst thing any president (or dictator) has ever say in a public speech.

idlewords 12y ago

Better start a petition to fix that!

deleted 12y ago

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neverminder 12y ago

Indeed, I remember signing this back then. White House seems to be dodging responses to certain petitions that have received enough signatures: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/13/here-are-the-30-questions-the-white-house-doesnt-want-to-answer/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/13...

cheald 12y ago
Has Obama's White House ever responded significantly to any petition made through that system? It's a pressure valve designed to bleed off discontent, not an actual channel for affecting change.
- yoyar 12y ago
  ^ This
- lambdapower 12y ago
  My favorite petition came right after a few of the early responses, titled "We demand a vapid, condescending, meaningless, politically safe response to this petition." I can't find it on the petition site anymore.
  - McDoku 12y ago
    Can you really blame the guy for being politically safe? I know it sucks but it is a war of inches. Things change with the backing of the people. The Republicans know this well and uses that reaction. They are fundamentally populist (whether you agree with them or not, they have skill here). Absolute justice gives way to a triage. Fundamentally with out that triage nothing gets treated. It is an unfortunate reality. It will only change, if how we work is rethought. These are the scope of the actions available in our game. The pattern has been replicated consistently through similar models in history. It could very easily become robbing Peter to pay Paul. *edit Getting downvote....sigh.... I realize it is an unpopular opinion but it is a consistent pattern for republics through out human history. Please offer me a counter example to facilitate debate if you disagree.
    - autokad 12y ago
      i disagree. for one thing, he's in his 2nd term, there is no 'war of inches' to lose. when he has a political agenda, nothing stops him from shoving it through no matter what. for stuff he cares two licks about but knows his voters care about, he just retorts 'the republicans wont let me'.

rweba 12y ago

The current threshold is 100,000 and the petition only has 61,040 votes.

bdcravens 12y ago
Doesn't apply to petitions prior to the change. That page says "SIGNATURES NEEDED BY FEBRUARY 11, 2013 TO REACH GOAL OF 25,000" (though it's moot anyways, given the usual responses to these surveys)

ninv 12y ago

This petition is useless. She was merely following the orders, a puppet.

WalterSear 12y ago
She was advancing her career.

bdcravens 12y ago

What would the response be? The petition says to remove Ortiz. Not investigate. Not chastise. Not start hearings. That's a pretty binary decision. A website survey, that could easily be gamed, that has fewer signatures than the population of a random small city, is supposed to result in completely bypassing the USC? Most would agree with the sentiment, but the petition was failed from the moment the creator hit Submit.

dredmorbius 12y ago

Responses of the Obama administration to online petitions has been ... less than encouraging. However: the administration created the petitions process, and petitions are online. What has and hasn't been responded to is a matter of public record. If, at some point, another political party (or even a different administration of the same party) comes into power, and changes this in any significant way (including, possibly, improving the system, though I suspect it might go the other way) will be notable. Regardless of the follow-through, Obama did set a precedent.