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>> The current incarnation of "Social Justice" is so far from what individuals like bell hooks, Paulo Freire, Maxine Greene and Henry Giroux had in mind that it

>> The current incarnation of "Social Justice" is so far from what individuals like bell hooks, Paulo Freire, Maxine Greene and Henry Giroux had in mind that it's fucking ridiculous and absolutely infuriating. http://books.google.ca/books/about/Reel_to_Real.html?id=hRtGzesft_AC http://books.google.ca/books/about/Reel_to_Real.html?id=hRtG... >> "Although it may not be the goal of filmmaker, most of us learn something when we watch movies. They make us think. They make us feel. Occasionally they have the power to transform lives. In Reel to Real, Bell Hooks talks back to films she has watched as a way to engage the pedagogy of cinema - how film teaches its audience. Bell Hooks comes to film not as a film critic but as a cultural critic, fascinated by the issues movies raise - the way cinema depicts race, sex, and class. Reel to Real brings together Hooks's classic essays (on Paris is Burning or Spike Lee's She's Gotta Have it) with her newer work on such films as Girl 6, Pulp Fiction, Crooklyn, and Waiting to Exhale, and her thoughts on the world of independent cinema. Her conversations with filmmakers Charles Burnett, Julie Dash, and Arthur Jaffa are linked with critical essays to show how cinema can function " - preface to bell hooks' "Reel to Real: Race, Sex, and Class at the Movies" You're full of it. Real Social Justice philosophers have always paid heavy attention to media, because in capitalism, our media basically assimilates, swallows up, and instrumentalizes (in the service of consumption) anything else we may want to describe as our "culture" and "tradition".

Loughla 12y ago
"subversively, even as it maintains the status quo." You left that off for some reason. Have you read that book? Good essays, from there you should read Pedagogy of the Oppressed and Pedagogy of Hope (spoiler, I would tell you to read those regardless of what you quoted. . . ) No, I'm not full of it, you just misread my statement; apparently I didn't make it clear enough and I do genuinely apologize for that. These individuals did, in fact, study what culture means and what it teaches those around us; I never said they didn't. It's called Critical Pedagogy for a reason. Said simply, you are critically thinking about lessons - formal, informal, wherever, whenever. As I said, read Freire - he's easily the best of the group and the most accessible. What these individuals didn't do was attempt to directly point individual art and entertainment pieces in one direction - that was my original claim. There is a difference between informing others about culture's lessons and the hidden (for lack of a better word) meaning behind art while asking people to be aware of the lessons they are learning and the lessons they are teaching and the rabid, hateful nonsense that 'social justice warriors' are spouting about specific changes that need to be made to specific games/websites/books, etc. Do you not see the difference?
- RodericDay 12y ago
  I do see the difference, but so does Anita Sarkeesian and every other cultural critic that people accuse of being a "fauxtivist". It's in the preface of her videos, and outlined very clearly when she discusses the Bechdel Test. >> What these individuals didn't do was attempt to directly point individual art and entertainment pieces in one direction - that was my original claim. This is blatantly straw-manning what people are doing criticizing videogames and TV today.
  - Loughla 12y ago
    "and outlined very clearly when she discusses the Bechdel Test." And that's why there needs to be a constant line drawn between cultural critique and critical thought and the all too common armchair activism and "outrage," which manifests solely as circlejerks and censorship with no thought, that we see today. I don't see how that's a strawman argument, either. Certain "SJW's" are actively, or at least appear to be actively, censoring websites like reddit and 4chan. That's a thing that is currently happening, and was in direct response to the parent of my first comment in this chain. If I had said "what these individuals didn't do was attempt to directly point individual art and entertainment pieces in one direction, like all social justice activists today" That's a strawman, big time. But, instead, what i said was that the particular group of implied censors in the (grand?)parent comment was attempting to point individual art and entertainment pieces in a direction they believed to be right, and that social justice leaders, historically, believed the fight was much larger than that, and they (to a person) believed that education was the best way to accomplish these ends. I have a terrible time explaining myself to humans.
- FeeTinesAMady 12y ago
  Hey, Loughla, one of your posts is showing up as dead. Might want to check to see if someone hellbanned you.
  - Loughla 12y ago
    I have no idea how to check that. Edit: Okay, apparently it's just that comment? What made that part of the discussion so offensive?

Loughla 12y ago

"subversively, even as it maintains the status quo." You left that off for some reason. Have you read that book? Good essays, from there you should read Pedagogy of the Oppressed and Pedagogy of Hope (spoiler, I would tell you to read those regardless of what you quoted. . . ) No, I'm not full of it, you just misread my statement; apparently I didn't make it clear enough and I do genuinely apologize for that. These individuals did, in fact, study what culture means and what it teaches those around us; I never said they didn't. It's called Critical Pedagogy for a reason. Said simply, you are critically thinking about lessons - formal, informal, wherever, whenever. As I said, read Freire - he's easily the best of the group and the most accessible. What these individuals didn't do was attempt to directly point individual art and entertainment pieces in one direction - that was my original claim. There is a difference between informing others about culture's lessons and the hidden (for lack of a better word) meaning behind art while asking people to be aware of the lessons they are learning and the lessons they are teaching and the rabid, hateful nonsense that 'social justice warriors' are spouting about specific changes that need to be made to specific games/websites/books, etc. Do you not see the difference?

RodericDay 12y ago
I do see the difference, but so does Anita Sarkeesian and every other cultural critic that people accuse of being a "fauxtivist". It's in the preface of her videos, and outlined very clearly when she discusses the Bechdel Test. >> What these individuals didn't do was attempt to directly point individual art and entertainment pieces in one direction - that was my original claim. This is blatantly straw-manning what people are doing criticizing videogames and TV today.
- Loughla 12y ago
  "and outlined very clearly when she discusses the Bechdel Test." And that's why there needs to be a constant line drawn between cultural critique and critical thought and the all too common armchair activism and "outrage," which manifests solely as circlejerks and censorship with no thought, that we see today. I don't see how that's a strawman argument, either. Certain "SJW's" are actively, or at least appear to be actively, censoring websites like reddit and 4chan. That's a thing that is currently happening, and was in direct response to the parent of my first comment in this chain. If I had said "what these individuals didn't do was attempt to directly point individual art and entertainment pieces in one direction, like all social justice activists today" That's a strawman, big time. But, instead, what i said was that the particular group of implied censors in the (grand?)parent comment was attempting to point individual art and entertainment pieces in a direction they believed to be right, and that social justice leaders, historically, believed the fight was much larger than that, and they (to a person) believed that education was the best way to accomplish these ends. I have a terrible time explaining myself to humans.
FeeTinesAMady 12y ago
Hey, Loughla, one of your posts is showing up as dead. Might want to check to see if someone hellbanned you.
- Loughla 12y ago
  I have no idea how to check that. Edit: Okay, apparently it's just that comment? What made that part of the discussion so offensive?