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I always found it silly that the main character can murder hundreds of people in the most gruesome way, but any hint of racism/sexism is enough to enrage everyo

I always found it silly that the main character can murder hundreds of people in the most gruesome way, but any hint of racism/sexism is enough to enrage everyone. Is racism/sexism really that much worse from torture and murder that it's ok to use the later for storytelling, but the former always brings an outcry from the community?

metafex 12y ago
Best example for this is Tomb Raider: The start of it was so awesome, a breath of fresh air showing that games can be w/o killing hundreds of people. Unfortunately ~2 hours in the game that got lost. Oh but the people complained about the bad story-telling then, go figure...
rmc 12y ago
Or a high fantasy game that has non-white male characters. Dragons and magic and throwing out all of science are OK, but you heaven help you if you aren't (what some think of as) historially accurate.
- vonmoltke 12y ago
  Do you have any actual examples of this? I have never played a fantasy game where all the characters were white males and have never heard any complaints about that. Shit, I don't think I have played a high fantasy game where all the characters were human.
  - astrange 12y ago
    I'm not sure what he's talking about, but there were a lot of complaints about the movie Frozen (set in Denmark). They seemed to be based on: - people thinking the movie starred the Sámi people, an indigenous people who live in Norway, which is not Denmark. - people thinking the Sámi people have dark skin, because they're called "indigenous people" on Wikipedia, and the Inuit are also called "indigenous people" on Wikipedia. - a popular tumblr blog called medievalpoc which regularly claims that people from European history (Goethe, Martin Luther, etc.) were actually "black people" and their representation in art is a cover-up. Although personally I don't think animation needs to be historically accurate! Or starring people instead of, say, talking dogs.
    - rmc 12y ago
      a popular tumblr blog called medievalpoc which regularly claims that people from European history (Goethe, Martin Luther, etc.) were actually "black people" and their representation in art is a cover-up. The blog medievalpoc does not claim that. Merely it claims that there have always been people in europe who would be classed as "people of colour" by modern USA's standards.
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  - rmc 12y ago
    The game "Kingdom Come: Deliverance". http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/tagged/Kingdom-Come%3ADeliverance/chrono http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/tagged/Kingdom-Come%3ADelivera...
vertex-four 12y ago
> Is racism/sexism really that much worse from torture and murder that it's ok to use the later for storytelling, but the former always brings an outcry from the community? The issue is, well, the racism/sexism is usually not important to the story. The story could usually be told just as easily without the isms.
ealloc 12y ago
The problem is not the portrayal of racism/sexism/murder in the game, the problem is that the game is racist/sexist in the way it was constructed. Kind of like how minstrel shows are racist, in contrast to films like "12 Years A Slave".

metafex 12y ago

Best example for this is Tomb Raider: The start of it was so awesome, a breath of fresh air showing that games can be w/o killing hundreds of people. Unfortunately ~2 hours in the game that got lost. Oh but the people complained about the bad story-telling then, go figure...

rmc 12y ago

Or a high fantasy game that has non-white male characters. Dragons and magic and throwing out all of science are OK, but you heaven help you if you aren't (what some think of as) historially accurate.

vonmoltke 12y ago
Do you have any actual examples of this? I have never played a fantasy game where all the characters were white males and have never heard any complaints about that. Shit, I don't think I have played a high fantasy game where all the characters were human.
- astrange 12y ago
  I'm not sure what he's talking about, but there were a lot of complaints about the movie Frozen (set in Denmark). They seemed to be based on: - people thinking the movie starred the Sámi people, an indigenous people who live in Norway, which is not Denmark. - people thinking the Sámi people have dark skin, because they're called "indigenous people" on Wikipedia, and the Inuit are also called "indigenous people" on Wikipedia. - a popular tumblr blog called medievalpoc which regularly claims that people from European history (Goethe, Martin Luther, etc.) were actually "black people" and their representation in art is a cover-up. Although personally I don't think animation needs to be historically accurate! Or starring people instead of, say, talking dogs.
  - rmc 12y ago
    a popular tumblr blog called medievalpoc which regularly claims that people from European history (Goethe, Martin Luther, etc.) were actually "black people" and their representation in art is a cover-up. The blog medievalpoc does not claim that. Merely it claims that there have always been people in europe who would be classed as "people of colour" by modern USA's standards.
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- rmc 12y ago
  The game "Kingdom Come: Deliverance". http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/tagged/Kingdom-Come%3ADeliverance/chrono http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/tagged/Kingdom-Come%3ADelivera...

vertex-four 12y ago

> Is racism/sexism really that much worse from torture and murder that it's ok to use the later for storytelling, but the former always brings an outcry from the community? The issue is, well, the racism/sexism is usually not important to the story. The story could usually be told just as easily without the isms.

ealloc 12y ago

The problem is not the portrayal of racism/sexism/murder in the game, the problem is that the game is racist/sexist in the way it was constructed. Kind of like how minstrel shows are racist, in contrast to films like "12 Years A Slave".