This is my difficulty with J as well. APL has a better mental "feeling" for me, more like mathematical symbols. Oftentimes, these are pretty direct. Want to d

This is my difficulty with J as well. APL has a better mental "feeling" for me, more like mathematical symbols. Oftentimes, these are pretty direct. Want to drop the first element of a vector? APL: 1 ↓ 1 2 3 4 5 J: 1 }. 1 2 3 4 5 The APL version looks like a drop to me. The J version looks like two characters that I have to remember the meaning of. I'm sure if I was deeply proficient at J, the two-characters would stand out by their meaning, but it's hard for me to get that far when APL is so much cleaner for me to read.