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why? Are there lots of PHP developers that want ruby libraries?

by catch23 17y ago

halo 17y ago
The likely rationale is that there's probably quite a few people who want the deployability of PHP without having to work around the problems with the language.
- pilif 17y ago
  to be honest though, with the advent of passenger (basically mod_rails), ruby webapps don't feel harder to deploy then PHP at all any more. I don't see any practical reason to translate Ruby to PHP. Compared to other translations, this one doesn't make sense at all as you don't get any advantages of the translations result. Compare this to a translator that translates Ruby to JS: Here you get the ability to run Ruby in the browsers. Or JRuby where you get the ability to run Ruby in a Java-only environment (plus a bit of performance in some cases), or IronRuby for the same reasons for the .NET platform. But PHP? I don't get it.
  - tomjen2 17y ago
    It might not be impossible to set up, but there are far more webhosts that offer php than rails (and believe it or not, there are plenty of people who are in the market for $2/month webhosting).
    - pilif 17y ago
      I have a feeling that the time to make a rails application transcoded to PHP actually work on a $2/month hoster amounts to much more money than a rails hosting plan, which, after googling for "rails hosting" seems to be available for $4/month. So unless your time is really cheap ($2/month, that's, considering a 40 hours week $0.0125/hour), you'd be better off just getting a rails hoster. No. This feels like it's of pure academical value.
rbxbx 17y ago
Going back to using PHP after extensively using ruby is pretty brutal, even with just a subset of the functionality, this is a pretty nice little project, imo. Maybe one of us will drag it back from the grave.
dmajda 17y ago
I begun to work on the master thesis when there was no mod_rails, Rails hostings were less common and they were more expensive than PHP hostings. So the other commenters in this thread are right about the "deployability" reason. When the work was being finished, I aleready saw that the real-world usefulness of the compiler is minimal. This is why I didn't develop the compiler further after finishing the thesis.
- mosburger 17y ago
  Can you make a Java -> PHP compiler next? I'm obviously joking, but finding reliable, inexpensive Java hosting is nearly impossible.
petercooper 17y ago
As a Ruby developer, a fully working 100% Ruby->PHP doodad would interest me for ease of deployability (Passenger rocks, but it's hardly universal) and speed. PHP still kicks even Ruby 1.9's ass on the Alioth speed tests. I wonder if PHP (or even Zend) can act as a good virtual machine of sorts in the way the JVM does..

why? Are there lots of PHP developers that want ruby libraries?

by catch23 17y ago

why? Are there lots of PHP developers that want ruby libraries?

halo 17y ago

The likely rationale is that there's probably quite a few people who want the deployability of PHP without having to work around the problems with the language.

pilif 17y ago
to be honest though, with the advent of passenger (basically mod_rails), ruby webapps don't feel harder to deploy then PHP at all any more. I don't see any practical reason to translate Ruby to PHP. Compared to other translations, this one doesn't make sense at all as you don't get any advantages of the translations result. Compare this to a translator that translates Ruby to JS: Here you get the ability to run Ruby in the browsers. Or JRuby where you get the ability to run Ruby in a Java-only environment (plus a bit of performance in some cases), or IronRuby for the same reasons for the .NET platform. But PHP? I don't get it.
- tomjen2 17y ago
  It might not be impossible to set up, but there are far more webhosts that offer php than rails (and believe it or not, there are plenty of people who are in the market for $2/month webhosting).
  - pilif 17y ago
    I have a feeling that the time to make a rails application transcoded to PHP actually work on a $2/month hoster amounts to much more money than a rails hosting plan, which, after googling for "rails hosting" seems to be available for $4/month. So unless your time is really cheap ($2/month, that's, considering a 40 hours week $0.0125/hour), you'd be better off just getting a rails hoster. No. This feels like it's of pure academical value.

rbxbx 17y ago

Going back to using PHP after extensively using ruby is pretty brutal, even with just a subset of the functionality, this is a pretty nice little project, imo. Maybe one of us will drag it back from the grave.

dmajda 17y ago

I begun to work on the master thesis when there was no mod_rails, Rails hostings were less common and they were more expensive than PHP hostings. So the other commenters in this thread are right about the "deployability" reason. When the work was being finished, I aleready saw that the real-world usefulness of the compiler is minimal. This is why I didn't develop the compiler further after finishing the thesis.

mosburger 17y ago
Can you make a Java -> PHP compiler next? I'm obviously joking, but finding reliable, inexpensive Java hosting is nearly impossible.

petercooper 17y ago

As a Ruby developer, a fully working 100% Ruby->PHP doodad would interest me for ease of deployability (Passenger rocks, but it's hardly universal) and speed. PHP still kicks even Ruby 1.9's ass on the Alioth speed tests. I wonder if PHP (or even Zend) can act as a good virtual machine of sorts in the way the JVM does..