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Hi this is Dave from Heard. (Hacker News does not accept badges yet, so you just have to trust that it is me. :-) ) I wanted to clear up a confusion on badg
by davevronay 12y ago
Hi this is Dave from Heard. (Hacker News does not accept badges yet, so you just have to trust that it is me. :-) )
I wanted to clear up a confusion on badging.
Badges are a way to prove a verified fact about you without requiring you to trust any additional parties. So you already trust Visa with knowing your purchase history, and Netflix with knowing what you watch, and Facebook with knowing who your friends are, etc. If I want to post something on Facebook that says "This movie sucks, and by the way I watched this movie AND I watch a ton of movies", I should not have to trust Facebook with my viewing history and purchase history. I already trust Visa and NetFlix with that so I should just get a badge from NetFlix that says "Dave watched 500 movies last month" and one from Visa that says "Dave watched this movie last week" and then be able to use those badges on Facebook.
Badging is a mediated transaction between the service issuing the badge (the badge provider) and the service where the user wants to use the badge (the badge consumer).
The badge consumer starts a transaction asking a badge provider to issue a badge.
A badge provider can issue one or more types badges - like, say, a Microsoft.com, a tech insider badge, a movie watcher badge, a "is friends on Facebook with Van Diesel" badge, etc.
The badge provider then communicates directly with the user to determine if the user is eligible. So it might ask for your actual email address, send you a code, and then have you enter the code in. This all happens without talking to the badge consumer at all. Finally, if everything checks out, the provider will issue the badge to the consumer.
Once the badge is issued, the badge provider can either discard your email address or it can decide to retain it. Different providers might retain different amounts of data.
The Badge Consumer only gets the badge itself. It gets none of the information that you provided to get the badge. So while Heard will know you got a Microsoft.com badge, it has no idea how you got it. It certainly would never know your email address. Meanwhile, the badge provider never receives your Heard ID.
So in the worst case, where the badge provider was retaining all badging information, and "the bad guys" compromise both the Badge Provider and Heard itself via cyber attack or court order, they are limited in what they can discover:
- They could determine the emails of everyone who was ever issued a Microsoft.com badge (and potentially related meta-data like times, ip addresses, etc.)
- They can see that an incriminating post was left on Heard by someone with a microsoft.com badge (again, potentially with meta-data)
But they would not be able to determine with certainty that any one individual made that post. Not because it is encrypted, or the parties trust one another, etc., but because that information just does not exist. (Assuming you are handling your meta-data issues according to best practices).
The approach is not a magic bullet and still requires some amount of trust, but the trust is reasonable and easily understood.
You have to trust the badge provider to issue badges that are accurate. And you of course need to trust the badge provider with the information you are using to get the badge. But in most cases this is not a big deal, because the badge provider IS the entity that already knows this information. For example, ideally Microsoft itself would stand up a badging service for Microsoft employees. So while it is true that you would have to identify yourself as a Microsoft employee to Microsoft to get the badge, Microsoft already knows this about you.
Our goal with Heard is not run ANY badge providers at all ourselves, and let the market create ones that are needed - and judge their trustworthiness. We are running our email badging service just as a proof of concept. Once things calm down from our launch we plan to provide public APIs and reference implementations of both badge providers and badge consumers on our public github.
If you have other technical questions about how the badging works, I am happy to answer.