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I think the point is, as the article points out, moreso that the group hates the name: "The Associated Press recently reported that the group were threatening

I think the point is, as the article points out, moreso that the group hates the name: "The Associated Press recently reported that the group were threatening to cut cut out the tongues of anyone who used the phrase publicly, and AFP have noted that the term "Daeshi" has been used a derogatory term in some parts of the Middle East. Some analysts have suggested that the dislike of the term comes from its similarity to another Arabic word, دعس, or Das. That word means to trample down or crush."

falsestprophet 12y ago
According to the Foreign Minister of the French Republic Laurent Fabius their point is “This is a terrorist group and not a state," Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius told reporters last week, according to France 24. "I do not recommend using the term Islamic State..." My point is that they are still, basically, calling it the Islamic State, but just in Arabic.
- colanderman 12y ago
  I counter that that simply doesn't matter. Consider: if (1) ISIS doesn't like it, (2) Arab speakers use it derogatorily, and non-Arab-speakers either (3) don't know the etymology, or (4) understand the derogatory intent, I think Daesh achieves the goal of linguistically delegitimizing ISIS as a "state".
Crito 12y ago
I'm sure they'd hate to be called "The Coalition of Sissy Bomb-bait Cowards", but that doesn't mean we should call them that. The public is already aware of who "ISIS" is, and what they do. I see no reason to introduce confusion (particularly with a word whose pronunciation isn't even clear to all native English speakers (such as myself)).
- colanderman 12y ago
  Well, seeing as this is the French who are using the term, I don't think you have to worry about pronouncing it.
  - Crito 12y ago
    Every argument in favor of the new term, that I have heard at least, is language agnostic. They apply in English just as well as they apply in French. I think it is therefore fair for me to offer my opinion on its use by English speaking media. And yeah, my insincere proposal got somewhat neutered by a few iterations of making it less offensive to the innocent. I think my point came across though.
    - colanderman 12y ago
      Your "point" is a straw-man. (Really, that name is ridiculous. "Daesh" is specifically chosen because it's already used. I'm not arguing to call them something novel and ridiculous.)
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      - Crito 12y ago
        1) One of the arguments in favour of using that term is that it offends ISIS. It's not a strawman if people actually are making that argument. I am arguing against that particular argument. 2) Daesh is not already used in English. I have absolutely no objection to it's use in other languages; that does not effect me in the slightest so I could not care in the slightest.
- zo1 12y ago
  "The public is already aware of who "ISIS" is, and what they do." The majority of people do, yes. However, you have to consider how powerful language is. Calling something by it's literal, and true meaning strips it of a lot of power to maneuver itself and what it means/stands for.

falsestprophet 12y ago

According to the Foreign Minister of the French Republic Laurent Fabius their point is “This is a terrorist group and not a state," Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius told reporters last week, according to France 24. "I do not recommend using the term Islamic State..." My point is that they are still, basically, calling it the Islamic State, but just in Arabic.

colanderman 12y ago
I counter that that simply doesn't matter. Consider: if (1) ISIS doesn't like it, (2) Arab speakers use it derogatorily, and non-Arab-speakers either (3) don't know the etymology, or (4) understand the derogatory intent, I think Daesh achieves the goal of linguistically delegitimizing ISIS as a "state".

Crito 12y ago

I'm sure they'd hate to be called "The Coalition of Sissy Bomb-bait Cowards", but that doesn't mean we should call them that. The public is already aware of who "ISIS" is, and what they do. I see no reason to introduce confusion (particularly with a word whose pronunciation isn't even clear to all native English speakers (such as myself)).

colanderman 12y ago
Well, seeing as this is the French who are using the term, I don't think you have to worry about pronouncing it.
- Crito 12y ago
  Every argument in favor of the new term, that I have heard at least, is language agnostic. They apply in English just as well as they apply in French. I think it is therefore fair for me to offer my opinion on its use by English speaking media. And yeah, my insincere proposal got somewhat neutered by a few iterations of making it less offensive to the innocent. I think my point came across though.
  - colanderman 12y ago
    Your "point" is a straw-man. (Really, that name is ridiculous. "Daesh" is specifically chosen because it's already used. I'm not arguing to call them something novel and ridiculous.)
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    - Crito 12y ago
      1) One of the arguments in favour of using that term is that it offends ISIS. It's not a strawman if people actually are making that argument. I am arguing against that particular argument. 2) Daesh is not already used in English. I have absolutely no objection to it's use in other languages; that does not effect me in the slightest so I could not care in the slightest.
zo1 12y ago
"The public is already aware of who "ISIS" is, and what they do." The majority of people do, yes. However, you have to consider how powerful language is. Calling something by it's literal, and true meaning strips it of a lot of power to maneuver itself and what it means/stands for.