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Everything you have said is false. Private prisons are not colluding to keep prisoners in prison or lobbying the state or doing any kind of action to increase t

Everything you have said is false. Private prisons are not colluding to keep prisoners in prison or lobbying the state or doing any kind of action to increase the number of people that become imprisoned nor increase their length of stay. There is no evidence for anything you have claimed, you simply use "privatized" as if it were a dirty word and we should knowingly nod our heads in assent. > I'm not sure The way to resolve an information need is to engage in an objective search of facts, not speculate endlessly and make unsubstantiated claims of criminal behavior of others without some kind of evidence to base it on. If you want people to spend less time in prison, you'll want the laws changed because that's where all this come from. Some of the laws in California are the result of ballots.

knieveltech 12y ago
"Private prisons are not colluding to keep prisoners in prison or lobbying the state or doing any kind of action to increase the number of people that become imprisoned nor increase their length of stay." You sure about that? http://www.dailypaul.com/312217/pennsylvania-judge-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison-for-selling-teens-to-prisons http://www.dailypaul.com/312217/pennsylvania-judge-sentenced...
- ars 12y ago
  If that was your best link, then it kinda proves his point and not yours.
  - knieveltech 12y ago
    A PA judge was sentenced to 28 years for getting paid to put children behind bars and you're bitching about me picking the first link to an article on the subject I found from a quick google search?
    - ars 12y ago
      It's a terrible link. It shows an outlier, not the normal situation. If that's the best you can do then you have proved his point, not yours.
      - knieveltech 12y ago
        He said "private prisons are not colluding" I produce a link to a case that very clearly demonstrates collusion. You claim this proves there is no collusion. Yeah, we're done here.
        ars 12y ago
        Yes we are done because you can not seem to distinguish the singular and the plural.
- smutticus 12y ago
  Here is a bit more info on Ciavarella. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/books/review/kids-for-cash-and-the-injustice-system.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/books/review/kids-for-cash... If I read the parent comment you seem to be saying that legal lobbying is the problem. However, the Ciavarella story concerns illegal corruption. I'm not a fan of the American prison system, mainly because it promotes forced labour, or slavery. The 13tm amendment explicitly contains an exemption for prison labour, something which has historically been abused in America. Quick general overview of prison labor: http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/04/04/prison-labor-and-taxpayer-dollars/ http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/04/04/prison-labor... More detailed account of prison labor in Nevada regarding casinos and construction. http://vltp.net/casinos-prison-labor-strange-bedfellows/ http://vltp.net/casinos-prison-labor-strange-bedfellows/ The slave market: http://www.unicor.gov/ http://www.unicor.gov/ You can even get slave labor to operate your call center: http://www.unicor.gov/services/contact_helpdesk/ http://www.unicor.gov/services/contact_helpdesk/
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gohrt 12y ago
http://www.salon.com/2014/04/15/america_on_lockdown_why_the_private_prison_industry_is_exploding_partner/ http://www.salon.com/2014/04/15/america_on_lockdown_why_the_... "Arizona is one of four states (along with Virginia, Oklahoma and Louisiana) in which state governments are bound to contracts guaranteeing a 95%-100% occupancy in facilities leased by private prisons."

knieveltech 12y ago

"Private prisons are not colluding to keep prisoners in prison or lobbying the state or doing any kind of action to increase the number of people that become imprisoned nor increase their length of stay." You sure about that? http://www.dailypaul.com/312217/pennsylvania-judge-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison-for-selling-teens-to-prisons http://www.dailypaul.com/312217/pennsylvania-judge-sentenced...

ars 12y ago
If that was your best link, then it kinda proves his point and not yours.
- knieveltech 12y ago
  A PA judge was sentenced to 28 years for getting paid to put children behind bars and you're bitching about me picking the first link to an article on the subject I found from a quick google search?
  - ars 12y ago
    It's a terrible link. It shows an outlier, not the normal situation. If that's the best you can do then you have proved his point, not yours.
    - knieveltech 12y ago
      He said "private prisons are not colluding" I produce a link to a case that very clearly demonstrates collusion. You claim this proves there is no collusion. Yeah, we're done here.
      - ars 12y ago
        Yes we are done because you can not seem to distinguish the singular and the plural.
smutticus 12y ago
Here is a bit more info on Ciavarella. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/books/review/kids-for-cash-and-the-injustice-system.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/books/review/kids-for-cash... If I read the parent comment you seem to be saying that legal lobbying is the problem. However, the Ciavarella story concerns illegal corruption. I'm not a fan of the American prison system, mainly because it promotes forced labour, or slavery. The 13tm amendment explicitly contains an exemption for prison labour, something which has historically been abused in America. Quick general overview of prison labor: http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/04/04/prison-labor-and-taxpayer-dollars/ http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/04/04/prison-labor... More detailed account of prison labor in Nevada regarding casinos and construction. http://vltp.net/casinos-prison-labor-strange-bedfellows/ http://vltp.net/casinos-prison-labor-strange-bedfellows/ The slave market: http://www.unicor.gov/ http://www.unicor.gov/ You can even get slave labor to operate your call center: http://www.unicor.gov/services/contact_helpdesk/ http://www.unicor.gov/services/contact_helpdesk/

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gohrt 12y ago

http://www.salon.com/2014/04/15/america_on_lockdown_why_the_private_prison_industry_is_exploding_partner/ http://www.salon.com/2014/04/15/america_on_lockdown_why_the_... "Arizona is one of four states (along with Virginia, Oklahoma and Louisiana) in which state governments are bound to contracts guaranteeing a 95%-100% occupancy in facilities leased by private prisons."