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Ask HN: Google search results

8 points by tzz 12y ago

I was searching for Starbucks menu and was surprised to see the result directly within the Google search results. Nowadays, you can get most of your answers for your searches without having to leave Google.com. I am assuming this type of service will increase in future and Google seems to like to keep the users within Google.com. Isn't this bad for the website owners and content creators?

GFischer 12y ago
Yes it is, and it is a legal gray area. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_hyperlinking_and_framing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_hyperlinki... http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/website-permissions/linking/ http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/website-permissions/lin... "One court found framing to be a copyright infringement because the process resulted in an unauthorized modification of the linked site. (Futuredontics Inc. v. Applied Anagramic Inc., 45 U.S.P.Q. 2d 2005 (C.D. Cal. 1998).) In another case, The Washington Post, CNN, and several other news companies sued a website, TotalNews, which framed their news content. Under the terms of a settlement agreement, TotalNews agreed to stop framing and agreed to use text-only links. While case law hasn’t developed definitive rules on the issue, a framer is more likely to be found liable for copyright (or trademark) infringement if copyrighted material is modified without authorization or if customers are confused about the association between the two sites or the source of a product or service." - See more at: http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/website-permissions/linking/#linking_and_framing http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/website-permissions/lin...
tehwebguy 12y ago
That data in particular may be "rich snippets" or "structured data" - I have no idea if it is though https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/99170?hl=en https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/99170?hl=en
- BorisMelnik 12y ago
  correct - the majority of the time this data (known as Knowledge Graph or Knowledge Vault) is pulled from the schema on the website (via structured data) but Google also uses a number of other sources, mainly Freebase and Wikipedia but also privately owned websites as well.
bob_situmorang 12y ago
google have permission
dholowiski 12y ago
My Co worker and I have been talking about this for a while. If someone is getting the information they need (and it comes from out site), but they never leave Google, how do we measure the impact of that?

8 points by tzz 12y ago

GFischer 12y ago

Yes it is, and it is a legal gray area. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_hyperlinking_and_framing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_hyperlinki... http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/website-permissions/linking/ http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/website-permissions/lin... "One court found framing to be a copyright infringement because the process resulted in an unauthorized modification of the linked site. (Futuredontics Inc. v. Applied Anagramic Inc., 45 U.S.P.Q. 2d 2005 (C.D. Cal. 1998).) In another case, The Washington Post, CNN, and several other news companies sued a website, TotalNews, which framed their news content. Under the terms of a settlement agreement, TotalNews agreed to stop framing and agreed to use text-only links. While case law hasn’t developed definitive rules on the issue, a framer is more likely to be found liable for copyright (or trademark) infringement if copyrighted material is modified without authorization or if customers are confused about the association between the two sites or the source of a product or service." - See more at: http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/website-permissions/linking/#linking_and_framing http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/website-permissions/lin...

tehwebguy 12y ago

That data in particular may be "rich snippets" or "structured data" - I have no idea if it is though https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/99170?hl=en https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/99170?hl=en

BorisMelnik 12y ago
correct - the majority of the time this data (known as Knowledge Graph or Knowledge Vault) is pulled from the schema on the website (via structured data) but Google also uses a number of other sources, mainly Freebase and Wikipedia but also privately owned websites as well.

bob_situmorang 12y ago

google have permission

dholowiski 12y ago

My Co worker and I have been talking about this for a while. If someone is getting the information they need (and it comes from out site), but they never leave Google, how do we measure the impact of that?