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Actually, iPhone 4 should never have received iOS 7. The update crippled people's phones: the software ran so slow, that in some cases I was unable to answer th

by jwr 12y ago

Actually, iPhone 4 should never have received iOS 7. The update crippled people's phones: the software ran so slow, that in some cases I was unable to answer the call before it timed out! Subsequent updates made the situation slightly more bearable, but still bad. I would much rather have Apple flat-out refuse to provide updates for devices which are unable to handle the new bloated software.

freehunter 12y ago
I'm unable to do that on my iPhone 5c sometimes. The screen just doesn't respond when I try to pick up. And it was made for iOS7.
- wvenable 12y ago
  As an iPhone 5 user, I have experienced the same thing. A reboot fixes it. More than likely the problem is more frequent/pronounced the slower the device is.
gurkendoktor 12y ago
iOS 4 on the iPhone 3G and iOS 5 on the first iPad have been the same. They could come out of it looking generous if they would allow us to downgrade our devices again...but all I hear is "your device is practically bricked, where's your credit card?"
- slantyyz 12y ago
  >> iOS 5 on the first iPad have been the same Man, I would pay a small fee to Apple to be able to do that. I bought a maxed out iPad 1 when it was released and it was basically unusable in 24 months. I expected to be able to use it for 3y.
dubya 12y ago
The initial release was pretty bad, but subsequent ones are fine. Safari, for example, is at least as fast as before. More annoying are third party developers testing only on new hardware. A phone that can run "Infinity Blade" should not take two minutes to start "Threes".
- slantyyz 12y ago
  >> The initial release was pretty bad, but subsequent ones are fine. Well, it seems there is some variability on this, so the better response may be "YMMV". iOS7 on my iPhone 4 (including the latest updates) -- just made it unusable -- and keep in mind, most of what I do are just the core apps, Safari, RSS and Read Later. I basically had the same issues with the last supported iOS versions on the original iPad and iPhone 3G. The pattern I notice is that Apple tends to offer one OS upgrade too many on older devices, which is basically what led me to leave iOS. The refreshing pattern I've experienced on Android is that most of the upgrades have featured performance improvements.
- Karunamon 12y ago
  Apple can't win here. They don't release the update, and people bash them for not supporting expensive devices. They release the update, and people bash them for some kind of forced-planned-obsolescence.
  - mikeash 12y ago
    They could release the update and make sure it actually runs well. Note that it's not a given that a new OS release must run slower. Mac OS X had many releases that got successively faster. The trend only stopped with 10.7 or so.
    - Karunamon 12y ago
      It's also not a given that older hardware has the ability to support whatever changes and new features were made in the new OS.
      - mikeash 12y ago
        Possible, but that stuff is mostly artificial and performance-targeted. To take another example from the Mac world, Apple's hardware requirements have almost always been artificially inflated, with people having great success in applying gentle tweaks to make them run on older computers. Anyway, you certainly could build something that really can't run on older stuff, or can't run well. My point is merely that the dilemma you propose is wrong: there are at least three options (don't support old stuff, support old stuff badly, support old stuff well), not just two.
CocaKoala 12y ago
My iPhone 4 is still on iOS 6.1.3; I only had to upgrade to the 4 when my 3g stopped working after some OS updates. I learned my lesson there and didn't bother to move up to iOS 7 for my current phone; I'll probably get a new one soon just because my phone is now ~4 years old and starting to slow down on its own anyways.
Yizahi 12y ago
I see same problem on my 3GS with iOS6 (updated from 4 to 5 then to 6). Once every 30 calls or so.
gcb4 12y ago
i have an old 3gs that i used for testing and now it's my Pandora client permanently attached to my receiver. i never update it past 6. when friends with 4 and 4s with ios7 show up i like to ridicule then on how they have a phone worse and 10x shower then the previous generation. oh apple. you're so funny when you try to nickel and dime your customers. they take some 2min to load the first screen on maps. it's hilarious.

by jwr 12y ago

freehunter 12y ago

I'm unable to do that on my iPhone 5c sometimes. The screen just doesn't respond when I try to pick up. And it was made for iOS7.

wvenable 12y ago
As an iPhone 5 user, I have experienced the same thing. A reboot fixes it. More than likely the problem is more frequent/pronounced the slower the device is.

gurkendoktor 12y ago

iOS 4 on the iPhone 3G and iOS 5 on the first iPad have been the same. They could come out of it looking generous if they would allow us to downgrade our devices again...but all I hear is "your device is practically bricked, where's your credit card?"

slantyyz 12y ago
>> iOS 5 on the first iPad have been the same Man, I would pay a small fee to Apple to be able to do that. I bought a maxed out iPad 1 when it was released and it was basically unusable in 24 months. I expected to be able to use it for 3y.

dubya 12y ago

The initial release was pretty bad, but subsequent ones are fine. Safari, for example, is at least as fast as before. More annoying are third party developers testing only on new hardware. A phone that can run "Infinity Blade" should not take two minutes to start "Threes".

slantyyz 12y ago
>> The initial release was pretty bad, but subsequent ones are fine. Well, it seems there is some variability on this, so the better response may be "YMMV". iOS7 on my iPhone 4 (including the latest updates) -- just made it unusable -- and keep in mind, most of what I do are just the core apps, Safari, RSS and Read Later. I basically had the same issues with the last supported iOS versions on the original iPad and iPhone 3G. The pattern I notice is that Apple tends to offer one OS upgrade too many on older devices, which is basically what led me to leave iOS. The refreshing pattern I've experienced on Android is that most of the upgrades have featured performance improvements.
Karunamon 12y ago
Apple can't win here. They don't release the update, and people bash them for not supporting expensive devices. They release the update, and people bash them for some kind of forced-planned-obsolescence.
- mikeash 12y ago
  They could release the update and make sure it actually runs well. Note that it's not a given that a new OS release must run slower. Mac OS X had many releases that got successively faster. The trend only stopped with 10.7 or so.
  - Karunamon 12y ago
    It's also not a given that older hardware has the ability to support whatever changes and new features were made in the new OS.
    - mikeash 12y ago
      Possible, but that stuff is mostly artificial and performance-targeted. To take another example from the Mac world, Apple's hardware requirements have almost always been artificially inflated, with people having great success in applying gentle tweaks to make them run on older computers. Anyway, you certainly could build something that really can't run on older stuff, or can't run well. My point is merely that the dilemma you propose is wrong: there are at least three options (don't support old stuff, support old stuff badly, support old stuff well), not just two.

CocaKoala 12y ago

My iPhone 4 is still on iOS 6.1.3; I only had to upgrade to the 4 when my 3g stopped working after some OS updates. I learned my lesson there and didn't bother to move up to iOS 7 for my current phone; I'll probably get a new one soon just because my phone is now ~4 years old and starting to slow down on its own anyways.

Yizahi 12y ago

I see same problem on my 3GS with iOS6 (updated from 4 to 5 then to 6). Once every 30 calls or so.

gcb4 12y ago

i have an old 3gs that i used for testing and now it's my Pandora client permanently attached to my receiver. i never update it past 6. when friends with 4 and 4s with ios7 show up i like to ridicule then on how they have a phone worse and 10x shower then the previous generation. oh apple. you're so funny when you try to nickel and dime your customers. they take some 2min to load the first screen on maps. it's hilarious.