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Question is: are you guys willing to pay decent salary? I've seen this "can't find local work force" talk a lot, but most of them want local work force paying m

by dcarmo 12y ago

Question is: are you guys willing to pay decent salary? I've seen this "can't find local work force" talk a lot, but most of them want local work force paying minimum wage (when comparing to other places in the world). About equity: I don't see anything wrong in wanting a pay check. IMO equity is a plus a company can offer employees as a way to help hold talent - not salary substitute.

3327 12y ago
We are paying very decent. I would say 50% more than what you would typically get. Benefits, vacation, hardware etc...
- rglullis 12y ago
  Can you please put a number on it? The "benefits, vacation, hardware" part does not mean much, because they are required by Brazilian labor law. My profile: Sr. Developer/Architect with 8+ years experience in Django. I have received (and turned down) offers in São Paulo for R$12.000/month (CLT), to what some people in my network said it would be "good, but not extraordinary". I've heard people saying they were making less, some saying were making more. One of them mentioned he was making R$20k/month CLT, but admittedly he was way out of the curve. In the end, I moved to Berlin, a city that is less expensive than São Paulo and where you can get a €6000/month salary without much trouble, and freelance contracts in the €75-80/hour range. But in short, tell me you are actually paying R$18.000/month and I will send you my CV.
  - anonymous_ 12y ago
    Thanks for the numbers. Out of curiosity, out of those who said they were "making more", how many are working in startups? (and not in consulting, public sector, finance, etc)
    - rglullis 12y ago
      No startup in the strict sense. On the other hand, the ones working on startups were not getting any equity - it was just that the salaries were lower. But there were a few guys doing Java stuff in BigCos whose salaries were below average. So it is not just a matter of "startup == low salary". Curiously, the one making R$20k/month got the more "startupy" job. He is working at an advertising agency as the "Director of New Businesses in Digital Media". Basically he is in the EIR of an ad agency, creating new products, websites, generating tools and services with a team of 3-4 people that he needs to manage.
  - elros 12y ago
    Wow, that's exactly my situation. Brazilian, 8+ years experience in diverse technologies, got frustrated with the lack of professionalism in Brazilian companies and moved to Berlin where I'm making around 5 times what I made in Rio de Janeiro, with the difference that Berlin is much cheaper to live in. As parent said: But in short, tell me you are actually paying R$18.000/month and I will send you my CV.
    - rglullis 12y ago
      Are you still in Berlin? It would be good to connect with a like-minded fellow. You can find my email on my about page.
      - elros 12y ago
        I am still in Berlin, but couldn't find your e-mail address. Entra em contato comigo, meu endereço é adelgado1313arrobagmailpontocom.
fernandotakai 12y ago
that's basically the biggest problem with the brazilian tech scene. people seem to think that developers are glorified typist so they pay really small salaries and then complain that the work is not good enough. i find amazing/terrible that people think that a 2500 usd/mo salary for a senior guy is a lot.

by dcarmo 12y ago

3327 12y ago

We are paying very decent. I would say 50% more than what you would typically get. Benefits, vacation, hardware etc...

rglullis 12y ago
Can you please put a number on it? The "benefits, vacation, hardware" part does not mean much, because they are required by Brazilian labor law. My profile: Sr. Developer/Architect with 8+ years experience in Django. I have received (and turned down) offers in São Paulo for R$12.000/month (CLT), to what some people in my network said it would be "good, but not extraordinary". I've heard people saying they were making less, some saying were making more. One of them mentioned he was making R$20k/month CLT, but admittedly he was way out of the curve. In the end, I moved to Berlin, a city that is less expensive than São Paulo and where you can get a €6000/month salary without much trouble, and freelance contracts in the €75-80/hour range. But in short, tell me you are actually paying R$18.000/month and I will send you my CV.
- anonymous_ 12y ago
  Thanks for the numbers. Out of curiosity, out of those who said they were "making more", how many are working in startups? (and not in consulting, public sector, finance, etc)
  - rglullis 12y ago
    No startup in the strict sense. On the other hand, the ones working on startups were not getting any equity - it was just that the salaries were lower. But there were a few guys doing Java stuff in BigCos whose salaries were below average. So it is not just a matter of "startup == low salary". Curiously, the one making R$20k/month got the more "startupy" job. He is working at an advertising agency as the "Director of New Businesses in Digital Media". Basically he is in the EIR of an ad agency, creating new products, websites, generating tools and services with a team of 3-4 people that he needs to manage.
- elros 12y ago
  Wow, that's exactly my situation. Brazilian, 8+ years experience in diverse technologies, got frustrated with the lack of professionalism in Brazilian companies and moved to Berlin where I'm making around 5 times what I made in Rio de Janeiro, with the difference that Berlin is much cheaper to live in. As parent said: But in short, tell me you are actually paying R$18.000/month and I will send you my CV.
  - rglullis 12y ago
    Are you still in Berlin? It would be good to connect with a like-minded fellow. You can find my email on my about page.
    - elros 12y ago
      I am still in Berlin, but couldn't find your e-mail address. Entra em contato comigo, meu endereço é adelgado1313arrobagmailpontocom.

fernandotakai 12y ago

that's basically the biggest problem with the brazilian tech scene. people seem to think that developers are glorified typist so they pay really small salaries and then complain that the work is not good enough. i find amazing/terrible that people think that a 2500 usd/mo salary for a senior guy is a lot.