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In modern times, it's unnecessarily being slaves to bosses, whose commands wageslaves obey all day. We were born in a goofy time.

Tyrannosaurs 12y ago
We weren't born in a goofy time. We (the people who frequent this board) largely exist in an industry where in certain markets you have enough leverage to some of the worst elements of wage slavery. But 98% of people on this planet at this time aren't in the same position and even in our industry if you think you are I suspect you'd be surprised how far you can really push your freedom from your bosses will it before you find you've got problems.
jedmeyers 12y ago
So, no one had to obey bosses' commands in previous times?
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  Sure they did. So what? Just because we always had to do something, doesn't mean we should continue to do so. We always had to die from random stupid illnesses until one guy stumbled over penicillin and the other one figured out that it might be a good idea to wash hands before performing surgery. The whole concept of progress of mankind is the idea that we should strive to get rid of stupid shit that caused harm, misery and death since the day one.
  - jedmeyers 12y ago
    You are saying that we should not continue doing what we do not like, and then you proceed to say that "one guy" Alexander Fleming "stumbled over" penicillin. Are you planning to stumble upon a way to relieve people from the need to obey the bosses or you expect someone else to do it?
    - TeMPOraL 12y ago
      I was saying that we as human species should strive to get rid of things that cause us misery. The "getting rid of" is the difficult part, as solutions are not always available or sustainable. And while I'm definitely not the second Fleming or Pasteur and I don't expect myself to stumble upon a way to get us to post-scarcity utopia, I do want to work towards humans getting there. To work alongside other humans, so that our grandchildren don't have to.

Tyrannosaurs 12y ago

We weren't born in a goofy time. We (the people who frequent this board) largely exist in an industry where in certain markets you have enough leverage to some of the worst elements of wage slavery. But 98% of people on this planet at this time aren't in the same position and even in our industry if you think you are I suspect you'd be surprised how far you can really push your freedom from your bosses will it before you find you've got problems.

jedmeyers 12y ago

So, no one had to obey bosses' commands in previous times?

TeMPOraL 12y ago
Sure they did. So what? Just because we always had to do something, doesn't mean we should continue to do so. We always had to die from random stupid illnesses until one guy stumbled over penicillin and the other one figured out that it might be a good idea to wash hands before performing surgery. The whole concept of progress of mankind is the idea that we should strive to get rid of stupid shit that caused harm, misery and death since the day one.
- jedmeyers 12y ago
  You are saying that we should not continue doing what we do not like, and then you proceed to say that "one guy" Alexander Fleming "stumbled over" penicillin. Are you planning to stumble upon a way to relieve people from the need to obey the bosses or you expect someone else to do it?
  - TeMPOraL 12y ago
    I was saying that we as human species should strive to get rid of things that cause us misery. The "getting rid of" is the difficult part, as solutions are not always available or sustainable. And while I'm definitely not the second Fleming or Pasteur and I don't expect myself to stumble upon a way to get us to post-scarcity utopia, I do want to work towards humans getting there. To work alongside other humans, so that our grandchildren don't have to.