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We have got to get a halfway respectable public face for this movement. These are Bond villains.

jacquesm 12y ago
Glenn Greenwald a Bond Villain? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald I see no preference for white furry felines and plenty of journalistic awards. He's not planning to take over a military base in the pacific (or one in outer space), doesn't have a private submarine. He probably does have some 'nation state' enemies but that's mostly their problem (that's something all three have in common). Greenwald is as respectable as they come. Not that that stopped some from trying to use the fact that he is gay to smear him. For instance: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/368144189411704832 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/368144189411704832 The real 'Bond Villains' are on the other side of the line and unlike the Bond movies they are not in camera but off to the side somewhere or behind a curtain.
adamnemecek 12y ago
Bond villains according to whom?
- sschueller 12y ago
  I guess MI6 would make that declaration.
MrJagil 12y ago
There is an argument though, that this issue is so deeply ingrained that we need a rather rebellious approach to actually change anything... What's more appropriate for a rebellious movement than rebellious leaders? Just a thought...
- idlewords 12y ago
  Maybe with less rape? I'd settle for that at this point.
  - jacquesm 12y ago
    KDC or Glenn Greenwald raped anybody? Has Assange been convicted of rape? Has a charge even been brought?
    - idlewords 12y ago
      An arrest warrant was issued and the guy fled to escape being charged. And then he ran again. So saying he hasn't been convicted or charged is a pretty high-chutzpah defense.
      - jacquesm 12y ago
        You have your timing mixed up. Please study the case in detail before you make such charged statements. The timing there is very subtle and open to several interpretations depending on how you want to fill in the blanks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_Authority http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_A... So I won't blame you, it's an extremely complex case that does not lend itself to the issuing of 5 word sound bites. It's complex because all parties appear to have behaved in weird and sometimes in-explicable ways and all parties seem to have made morally questionable moves (including the prosecutor). You mention 'less rape' as if to you rape has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Normally such language is used for convicted criminals. It's perfectly ok with me if you don't like Assange, I'm of the opinion if he did just the bits that he has admitted to and that seem to be indisputable that he's a complete douchebag but the behaviour of the women, the authorities and the process up to and including Assanges holing up in the Equadorian Embassy in London make me stop very much short of calling him a rapist. I may change that position in the future, but I'll wait for the trial (assuming there ever is one). There is a ton of stuff there that's questionable at a minimum not the least of which is the series of actions by the Swedish prosecutor.
        jamespo 12y ago
        But he is currently hiding out in the embassy to avoid being charged, so your innocent query of "has he been convicted/charged" is spurious.
mathetic 12y ago
Of course, the guy who sacrificed his life facing life in a shit hole if get caught, the guy who brought that news to you, the guy who let you learn about what your government is up to overseas. Textbook bond villains, indeed. It is astonishing how easy it is to throw mud at people and get up voted for it.
general_failure 12y ago
Such trolling is not remotely funny.
Cthulhu_ 12y ago
"No mister NSA, I expect you to die!" strokes EFF-stickered macbook

Glenn Greenwald a Bond Villain? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald I see no preference for white furry felines and plenty of journalistic awards. He's not planning to take over a military base in the pacific (or one in outer space), doesn't have a private submarine. He probably does have some 'nation state' enemies but that's mostly their problem (that's something all three have in common). Greenwald is as respectable as they come. Not that that stopped some from trying to use the fact that he is gay to smear him. For instance: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/368144189411704832 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/368144189411704832 The real 'Bond Villains' are on the other side of the line and unlike the Bond movies they are not in camera but off to the side somewhere or behind a curtain.

adamnemecek 12y ago

Bond villains according to whom?

sschueller 12y ago
I guess MI6 would make that declaration.

MrJagil 12y ago

There is an argument though, that this issue is so deeply ingrained that we need a rather rebellious approach to actually change anything... What's more appropriate for a rebellious movement than rebellious leaders? Just a thought...

idlewords 12y ago
Maybe with less rape? I'd settle for that at this point.
- jacquesm 12y ago
  KDC or Glenn Greenwald raped anybody? Has Assange been convicted of rape? Has a charge even been brought?
  - idlewords 12y ago
    An arrest warrant was issued and the guy fled to escape being charged. And then he ran again. So saying he hasn't been convicted or charged is a pretty high-chutzpah defense.
    - jacquesm 12y ago
      You have your timing mixed up. Please study the case in detail before you make such charged statements. The timing there is very subtle and open to several interpretations depending on how you want to fill in the blanks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_Authority http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_A... So I won't blame you, it's an extremely complex case that does not lend itself to the issuing of 5 word sound bites. It's complex because all parties appear to have behaved in weird and sometimes in-explicable ways and all parties seem to have made morally questionable moves (including the prosecutor). You mention 'less rape' as if to you rape has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Normally such language is used for convicted criminals. It's perfectly ok with me if you don't like Assange, I'm of the opinion if he did just the bits that he has admitted to and that seem to be indisputable that he's a complete douchebag but the behaviour of the women, the authorities and the process up to and including Assanges holing up in the Equadorian Embassy in London make me stop very much short of calling him a rapist. I may change that position in the future, but I'll wait for the trial (assuming there ever is one). There is a ton of stuff there that's questionable at a minimum not the least of which is the series of actions by the Swedish prosecutor.
      - jamespo 12y ago
        But he is currently hiding out in the embassy to avoid being charged, so your innocent query of "has he been convicted/charged" is spurious.

mathetic 12y ago

Of course, the guy who sacrificed his life facing life in a shit hole if get caught, the guy who brought that news to you, the guy who let you learn about what your government is up to overseas. Textbook bond villains, indeed. It is astonishing how easy it is to throw mud at people and get up voted for it.

general_failure 12y ago

Such trolling is not remotely funny.

Cthulhu_ 12y ago

"No mister NSA, I expect you to die!" strokes EFF-stickered macbook